July 23, 2018

Free Talk: Namaikizakari [Chapter 84]


[To look at the pictures/Chinese scans, go here. ] 

And, after they get together and did some lovey-dovey in chapter 83, Shou is back to his usual basketball form that he managed to slip past Shizuka’s defense to shoot the ball. It’s 10 days before they leave for training camp. And when Yuki is going to wash the laundry, she spots Shizuka holding his fingers which had been slightly injured.

To his shock, Yuki holds his hand to check on it. As she tries to check what is it, Shizuka tries to calm himself and get used to this set-up. Yuki took the opportunity to thank Shizuka for chiding Shou which kind of ‘break the ice’ = Shou’s attitude and the club’s mood changed for the better.

She says that it is great that Shizuka came to Osaki. She thinks that Shizuka is always the person who’ll make Shou come to his senses [/wake up to reality]. [I wonder if part of that gratitude is frustration that she isn’t the one who can do it.]

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And, they are interrupted by Shou who wants Yuki to take off his shirt. Then, Shizuka sees Shou sticking his tongue out at Shizuka. This irks him so he shouts to Shizuka that Shou is deliberately making her do that, and calls Shou, scum. Yuki muses that Shizuka’s bad words are becoming more and more blunt that he can now say ‘scum’ out loud.

[Haha, is that good or is that bad? =P Like, good since he isn’t ‘fake’ anymore but then, being too blunt = bad manners. Well, Shou didn’t exactly refute what they talked about so I guess he also credits Shizuka for it. Still, doing that stunt is just to put Shizuka in his place = who is Yuki’s boyfriend. ^^]

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On the way home, the couple talk about Shou going to the business club’s party. She tells him not to drink. He says how can that be. Yuki is about to protest but it turns out that he doesn’t want to go to the party but would rather go to her house.

She blushes and asks isn’t everyone waiting for him. He says that the others won’t mind if he isn’t there. Yuki feels a bit guilty and wonders if it is really okay that he’s so nice to her. And, they were interrupted by Fuuka who asks if they are going to do some lovey-dovey and stay overnight today again.

Fuuka accuses Yuki of forgetting about her. Yuki protests that she called her last night until this morning but she isn’t answering. Fuuka says that she isn’t that insensitive to disturb the lovers who had made up and the bed over her side is making sound so she thought that they are...

Shou corrects her that that is him doing sit-ups because yesterday, it isn’t on the bed but rather, the sofa... Yuki calls out Shou. Fuuka shouts that she isn’t asking about that. [<- Haha, is being blunt like that, good? Or embarrassing? =P] And, Fuuka cries over wanting to go lovey-dovey, too.
                                     
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At the restaurant, the couple hears out Fuuka’s story. She tells them that Suwa didn’t send her a message on LIME or call or even reply to her. Shou says that it’s just a day since then. Fuuka says but today, at school, he obviously saw her but he evaded her as if he doesn’t want to talk with her anymore.

She laments that if in the end, she’ll end up being hated by him then, she shouldn’t have mustered up her courage. Yuki finds this strange because normally, Suwa won’t avoid if he wants to reject someone but rather, he would be more dependable.

Yuki suggests that she’ll calmly probe out Suwa at work today. Fuuka protests no, but then, okay, no...but... Shou also offers to casually ask Suwa during practice. Fuuka also refuses since he won’t do it casually. Fuuka asks what does probing out refers to...what to probe and how to probe...?

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At the convenient store, after a usual greeting with Suwa, Yuki mentions about the possibility of Fuuka coming over to the store. This causes the instant noodles to fall on Suwa. Yuki exclaims if he is alright. Suwa says that he’s fine but Yuki thinks otherwise.

He excuses himself that he’ll do something else and gives her the scanner. But, Yuki says that is an instant ramen pack that he’s handing over to her and she hasn’t changed clothes yet. He says that he’s joking and go change first.

Yuki says okay and left. She mentally apologizes to Fuuka since she didn’t manage to probe anything. Suwa looks somewhat flustered. While changing her clothes, Yuki thinks that he is really hard to understand. If he’s normal, he’s normal but when he’s strange, he’s strange.

She felt glum over Fuuka regretting having courage to confess. She hopes that Fuuka goes back to her normal self. [Too bad Yuki can only realize that something is off but couldn’t equate that ‘abnormality’ of evading and absentmindedness has something to do with Fuuka.]

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At school, Yuki and Natsumi are busy packing when the coach asks if the two of them are enough for next month’s training camp. Natsumi says that it would be good if they get a temporary helper since there are more work in the camp. Before Yuki joined before, they got three people to help out.

Natsumi asks about getting Yuki’s friend, the one who always watches the practice, to help out since she looks calm and capable. At the cafeteria, Yuki informs Fuuka about becoming the manager’s assistant. Fuuka protests that this is the training camp. She imagines cool images of Suwa and going lovey-dovey with him.

Fuuka promptly nose bleeds. Yuki exclaims what is she thinking. Fuuka says that this is too difficult and it is amazing because even if this is the situation, her delusion can go unconstrained. Fuuka wonders what will Suwa do/think if he knew she’ll go.

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Then, Yuki calls out to Suwa. Fuuka greets him and he greets her back with a smile. Then, Suwa is called out by his friends. Yuki says that she can now greet him like normal. Fuuka says that it has been restored. The wall in Suwa’s heart that seems to have been broken has been restored. [<- I’m not too sure if Fuuka said this or it was Yuki.]

Fuuka mutters that she hoped that everything, all of it, didn’t happen. Yuki is at a loss over what to tell Fuuka and how to give Fuuka strength. After basketball practice, while someone is complaining that it is not since it is summer, Shou notices lost in thought Suwa sitting by the side.

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At Yuki’s place, Fuuka gloomily lying down on the bed. Shou asks why Fuuka would specially go to Yuki’s place. Yuki says that Fuuka is like that since Suwa greeted her. Shou asks again why Fuuka is in her house. Yuki tells him that isn’t important.

After a pause, Shou tells Fuuka that she doesn’t want Suwa to avoid her and she doesn’t want him to greet her normally then what does she want Suwa to do. Does she want him to say that he likes her and go steady with him? Or, she wants him to forget everything as if it all didn’t happen. And, obviously, it wasn’t easy for her to muster up her courage.

Recalling the times when she spent with Suwa, Fuuka asks if Suwa is at work today. Yuki says he is and how did she know... Fuuka quickly runs off. Fuuka contemplates over why she is giving it her all and what will happen if she runs away.

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The question isn’t what she hopes the other will do, but rather, what she wants to do. When Suwa is throwing trash, he is startled when Fuuka calls out to him. Fuuka informs him that she’ll help out the team during the training camp and she wants to go but if he says ‘don’t go’ then she won’t. If she doesn’t go to the training camp, she’ll go on a [group] dating camp.

Suwa looks stunned and asks, what is a dating camp. She lies by saying that it is finding someone in a group date and then spend the night together because she absolutely doesn’t want to be all alone during summer again. He grabs her wrist and calls out her name.

Fuuka thinks that it is here, she successfully faced the setback of this battle. He tells her to wait, there’s a leaf on her coat. Embarrassed Fuuka thanks him and there’s no need for him to mind her. She tries to leave but he still held on to her. He tells her to come to the training camp if she wants to.

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Fuuka blushes and wonders what’s up with this guy. She asks if it is really okay. It’s difficult since he ignored her confession and for them to be together a few days in camp, won’t it cause trouble. So, if he isn’t willing, then bluntly say it.

To her surprise, he says he isn’t willing...honestly speaking, how come she is so troublesome. He looks away while slightly blushing. She blushes over this. She thinks that he is always like this, disrupting a girl’s heart all over. He’s really cunning that he’ll immediately look away once he comes across a thorny problem.

He tells her that right now, he is working so for today... Fuuka calls out to him. She happily says that for her, what he said just now is a compliment.  He slightly looks flustered and says it is precisely this part that is the scariest. Fuuka is shocked by that. Fuuka thinks that it’s really regretful that he is the one whom she likes the most.

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While washing the dishes, Yuki says that in the end, Shou is a bit amazing. While watching TV, Shou asks why she would suddenly say that, is she enticing him. She says no, she totally doesn’t know how to cheer Fuuka up. She thinks that Fuuka is obviously her friend yet she totally wasn’t able to help her.

Yuki says that it is great that he was able to say those words to Fuuka. Shou says that he didn’t say that for Fuuka. She says but in the end... He goes to her and kisses the back of her ear. She blushes and looks at Shou’s smiling face. 

He says that in the end, he is already satisfied to see Yuki all cheered up. She tells him to wait, the bubbles will get on him [/them]. He says that if it does, they’ll just strip. And, training camp will happen soon.

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[Well, the main couple is kind of helping for the other couple to get together. I feel that Suwa is having a bit of ‘conflict’ on how to deal with Fuuka. He cannot break his old habit of ‘having a wall’ yet at times, he cannot keep it together since he is acting abnormal. Haha, in a way, that is why he is giving them mix signals.

For Shou’s part, even if it isn’t for the other couple, I think he knew that he has to get them together for his own benefit. One, it is for Suwa to leave Yuki alone permanently. And two, it is to keep Fuuka away so that she won’t be disturbing his time alone with Yuki. =P].

102 comments:

  1. I've been waiting for this.. thank u Kat!!!

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  2. What about chapter 83? I don't see a summary for it.

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    1. Oh...there is no summary, Shirley.

      The English scanlation is already out then [before the Chinese] so I don't think it is necessary to write about it...and there isn't much to comment on it. ^^;;

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  3. Naruse being adorable 🐝😍
    Thank you so much Kat!!

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  4. I love the way Naruse treats Yuki.. full of love.. damn it's so envy
    Really thank you for the summary

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    1. Hehe...thanks for reading, Frederica ^-^

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  5. Damn...romance, sports and awesome characters, I would love to see them in motion... hope this can get an anime ❤

    Extremely happy cuz Shou and Yuki are in their usual good term again ^^
    Thank you a lottt.

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    1. Maybe...there was a live action though...

      You're welcome ^-^

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  6. I love him!!!! He's soooooo sweet!!! An innocente kiss..from Naruse...Yuki-senpai...why aren't you already melt??
    Thank youuu Kat!!

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    1. Haha...maybe that's one reason why he likes her? =P

      You're welcome, marjorie ^-^

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  7. Yesss! that move! Now it's Shou turn.. show them your talent!
    _But honestly! shou and Yuki are Soo cute.. really sooo cute! Omg>3 ..She told him not to drink, lol, she's like his mom, xd
    _aww It looks like they're living together, I love that!!.. I want to see them move in already ><
    _Shou was so frustrated in the last chapters, I'm relieved cuz he back to his peaceful-self again. :/
    Thank you very much. I wanted to read Namaikizakari already.

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    1. Ya.

      Hehe...it does make me wonder if that's one reason he likes her =P

      Probably when they graduate college. I think Shou is still living with his parents.

      Yup, he recovered and is back in form.

      You're welcome ^-^

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  8. You know.. Yuki is always surrounded by guys.. but on Shou side there's nothing.. I just feel like the author being so hard on Shou.. give him a lot of challenges.. but she make everything so easy to Yuki.. it's not like I like Rivals concept ..mm, but I just find that weird,.. maybe just me.
    I think Shou is the only one male lead who did deal with that thing perfectly like that, he's being so understandable. I have never see something like that before. I'm just thinking, is it really supposed to be like that? ..others would immediately tell the girl to not get close to any other guy..and the fans would go 'oh, I love that' ..and the girl would immediately obey. But it's definitely not the case here (Shou won't and Yuki won't..)
    getting your girlfriend to be with suspicious touchy guys who could in anytime make a move on her in the same place most of the time is just so hard.. imagine your boyfriend with a girl/s who has feelings for him or his ex most of time? Isn't that unbearable! You would get hurt and annoyed.. just by thinking/seeing it .. regardless if your boyfriend is Yuki's type who keep being careless/not considerate and won't permit anything.. no, sometimes she would be the one. Well, Im just saying, it's like the author/ppl want Shou to act beyond human-nature, act like they will never do. I don't know, I just see it that.
    Thank you so much for the summary, make me really happy when I saw it.







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    1. Its not like there are no girls behind Shou...its just that Yuki Senpai's character is so good that all men fall for her...but Shou is also very jealous...he always asks her not to talk with other men but its just part of her job as a manager that she has to talk with other men otherwise she would not talk...But Shou is really into Yuki and vice-versa so i wish they both end up marrying each other...

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    2. Haha, that comment, lol. Wich Girls!!? .. between every 30 chapter and such the author would make some fan girls go behind him. Men is around here bcuz she gets so close to these men. If Shou helps girls the same amounts Yuki does we would have seen a bunch of same situations. Haha, just tell me when did he do? If, that right, then why she is not even aware of it? Why she keeps intrecting with suwa an hakamada like nothing happened? ..oh, is helping suwa part of her being the manger? Oh, it's helping a friend, agh. Her keeps talking to hakamada before he joining the college club is part of her being a manager? (I'm saying that bcuz u said otherwise she won't talk to men) ..u know girl, Yuki is so fond of men, that's a truth you can't change just bcuz u want to. I Always saw guys told Girls to not talk to men but never one said "they're so jealous" but Shou!! Omg! Unbelievable, lol. He's being so understandable.. you can't even credit him for that, agh, ppl. Just tell me a similar concept like that? No, one. Ah, don't just tell me that u understood the last arc as jealousy pro!!? If u do, then u need a makeover to ur shallow brain, girl. Ah, We all know that he loves her and they will marry each other, we don't need ur fake admitting. U just look to me like a hater, if u hate Shou and them being a couple, u can just back off girl.

      The girl just wrote her opinion in a nice way, I don't see a problem with it, but u, just been an arrogant hateful rude commenter. Sigh.

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    3. Unknown, Oh, if that comment is a reply to me, then I don't need it. I wrote that, to discuss with Kat not to fight with you. Plus I can say my opinion, you have no write to brash me like that. I guess you just needed to wrote your own opinion about the chapter and THANK KAT if you had read it. Have a nice day.

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    4. Yeah, So he must see his girlfriend being touched, grabbed (hands) carried, hugged but don't say anything, or he's so jealous!!?! Is that even logic. And I agree with you, there's no other male leads who didn't tell the girl 'dont let other guy/s touch u. You're mine..etc' and ppl would fangirling over it and find it romantic, and they never said he's so jealous.. Etc, like with Shou. I'm so wonderd over that. Good for you for point out that point. He's the best one among all in that. Yuki is the most mc who intracte with guys that amount, how Shou is jealous then! He told her just 2 times to not talk to those 2 guys (in chapter 16 and 54) but she immediately broke the promise. She does what she wants, she talk to any guy she wants, how he is jealous then! He never permit her from doing anything. And she gets jealous more than him. I rarely see him talk to a girl. Everyone read that Manga would obviously notice that about the two of them.

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    5. Well, in a way, true, Natalie. The girls around Shou are fangirls. It is a bit hard to compare though since fangirls are merely admirers and they cannot really have more interaction compared to how Yuki has to with basketball players wherein a couple happen to 'fell in love' with her. Haha, that's in quotes since it might not really be love/just admiration-whatever. =P

      I somewhat recalled Shou did say that during his bout of jealousy but Yuki just dismiss it since she doesn't really know how Shizuka and Suwa felt about her until the confession. Post-confession...ah, hehe, I guess it depends on the person. In this case, it seems to be okay with Shou since he trusts her and believes that she won't think of them in any romantic way.

      Also, since this is a story, it depends on what the mangaka wants to do with it. Is it a permanent reverse harem? After the initial confession, it seems that Suwa will be paired off with Fuuka. Hehe, and yes, I'm really hoping that Shizuka will be paired off with Shou's ex or some other girl. =P

      True. For peace of mind/no problems, Yuki should not give her admirers opportunity to do things to her when they are alone. Since yes, it can be hurtful and annoying aside from potential cause of misunderstanding. <- in real life.

      But, this is a story so it is possible that the mangaka is deliberately doing that for the story especially for cliffhangers or laughs or whatever reaction she is aiming for from the readers.

      Thanks for reading ^-^

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    6. I know right. Oh, that's true.

      Yep, that is it, even after their confessions we kept see an advances, I honestly thought it would stop. But as you said it depends and Shou is ok with it so it's fine. But I just don't like these interactions/touches to keep happening. And I dislike it for both (girls and guys).. But if its like that we can't do anything.
      So I'm just thinking if these guys are close to her aren't those accidents/advances will keep happening? Well, nevermind.

      That's true, that is a thing return to the Mangaka. Maybe I just wanted some fair and more realistic, Haha. Yes, I wish for the two of them to end up with girls.

      Yeahh. Exactly.

      yes. And for some Annoyness too, haha.

      Thank you.

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    7. Well, it seems to be a combination...at times, it is accident, sometimes deliberate, sometimes unconsciously... Yuki does it too at times with Shizuka but of course, as nothing more than 'help'.

      Yup, it keep on happening especially in basketball. Like, here, Shizuka got injured. As a manager, she will need to touch him to check it.

      Maybe. For now, I think it is definite that Suwa won't pay much attention to Yuki anymore. Right now, it will be just Shizuka.

      Yup.

      You're welcome ^^

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    8. Yeah!

      No, that is normal. I'm talking about scenes like in chapter 85.

      I see.

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    9. Which part? Dressed in sleepwear, blushing or tripping?

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  9. Why ppl are fighting! Lol. The chapter is nice and Naruse and Yuki are fine, haha. but, ya, there are really no Girls behind Shou, haha. If there are where is she? Xd. And, yeah, it does really looks like the author is deliberately make the guys jerks while the makes the girl around Shou nice (himino, usami..) haha. And ya, he didn't said anything when he saw her with hakamada here, also in chapter 76. And, true, it dose really hurt to see ur partner with ppl who like them/their ex. Well, don't fight guys, let's just enjoy that art peacefully πŸ˜‡ .. Naruse and Yuki are both so nice and love each other so deeply! .. plus it's Shou's birthday today, haha. Be happy guys πŸ™Œ

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    1. Plus why ppl when someone bash Yuki they would bring Shou and attack him instead of just defending Yuki! lol. Just defend on Yuki don't stick Shou between. He is totally fine with her and doesn't say anything.

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    2. Haha, marjorie...maybe the ex will come out later on? =P

      Hm...I do wonder if hurt is the feeling that one would have...wouldn't it be jealousy or anger? It isn't like Yuki is doing anything lovey-dovey with the other person. I would expect hurt if she is kissing, hugging, etc with the other person. And, Yuki doesn't think anything romantic with it even if it is a hug ^^;;

      True. Shou seems to be fine with it.

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  10. So how long are we gonna go back and forth with hakamada and Yuki, it's really irritating? Chapter 85 the hell!!

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    1. Hehe, Stella...hopefully until the end of the current arc.

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  11. That triangle with shizuka is becoming so Annoying! Just get over it already! I'm getting sick with that!

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    1. Hopefully, it will be gotten over soon...

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  12. Thanks for reading, mary ^-^

    Ya.

    'why she would get frustrating?.. well, she's mistaking/belittling herself like always.' <- how she can influence him for the better?

    Perhaps, guilty since she feels that she isn't exactly giving it all like she should? Or like, why are you so nice, it makes me feel guilty that I cannot equally reciprocate it.

    Haha, yup.

    Haha, about Fuuka and Suwa...perhaps only a little bit but it is more on cheering up Yuki =P And I think, for them not to bug them as a couple too much =P Fuuka for staying at Yuki's place to mope and Suwa to not bother with Yuki again.

    Yup. And, it is possible that it is a bit difficult if one is somewhat 'close' to the others involved. Like compared to Yuki, Shou doesn't have a 'close' relationship with the two so it is easier to analyze the problem without bothering about feelings.

    I guess he's the type who'll talk when he thinks it is really necessary. Perhaps, the other times, he is listening while...ah, playing with his cellphone?

    Ah...training camp as a couple? <- mentioned in the next chapter. But then, it means that it isn't Shou's first time going to a camp with a girlfriend?

    Maybe ^^

    Comments for the next chapter is up ^^

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  13. Thanks for the summary, Kat!

    I always read the conversations before commenting and again I noticed a lot of people don't like the way Yuki acts. Personally, I don't see how she's a horrible girlfriend. She's always putting others first and is a caring person. There were times where I couldn't help but sigh and think, "Oh, Yuki" when she dismissed Naruse's warnings that Shizuka or Suwa might have feelings for her, but honestly? When Naruse confessed to her, it took her a while to actually believe his feelings for her were genuine. This is her first relationship and besides her grandmother, Yuki didn't express her feelings to anyone. It's natural the girl will be slow. Nobody can change overnight. Now, I'm not defending her where she should have kept up her guard but it's not like she's meeting these guys alone and seeking them out. Unless it's not related to basketball/ school/Naruse, she doesn't talk to them. (With the exception with Suwa since she's trying to help Fuuka with him.) Like you said previously, it's what the mangaka is doing. Then there is the other side, most guys AND girls look to Yuki as an older sister figure. There were times where Yuki was insecure, but it's not much of a problem. I don't see her beating herself down, comparing herself to other girls. With a lot of people seeing her as a family member, it's not strange that she can't believe other guys seeing her as a love interest. Besides Shizuka, the way Suwa sees her... I don't think he's actually in love with her. If you've seen Fruits Basket, it's kind of like how Yuki Sohma saw Tohru. With Namaikizakari's Yuki, she might have sensed that as well. Anyways, she does need to fix that habit of letting down her guard even if she sees Shizuka as a younger brother. I don't think Suwa will be a problem anymore and I had a feeling he and Fuuka might get together in the first place.

    Well, that's my opinion on the subject. What do you think, Kat?

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    1. Thanks for reading, Brittany ^-^

      True. And, about believing his feelings, perhaps, it also had something to do with how he behaves, being younger and 'seems to be a playboy' with all the fangirls around.

      Indeed. Perhaps, if this is a more serious series wherein those other guys are total jerks, Yuki would be learning a lesson in those situations. Or perhaps, realize what Shou tried to warn her about.

      Yup, Suwa won't be a problem anymore.

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  14. True. Regarding basketball, I wonder if it is possible that she also kind of unconsciously feel guilty that she couldn't help more for them to actually win the National game.

    As a gf, perhaps, it overlaps? ^^; I'm thinking like dealing with Fuuka, she wasn't able to help much. Hm...is it possible that it also had something to do with frustration that she isn't good enough in comparison with being a manager wherein she immediately knows what to do/solve the problems? Kind of a perfectionist.

    Oh...I thought he was only saying that it is the first time for her. ^^; So, I guess Shou is basically hinting to her that as a couple...you know...nudge, nudge, wink, wink =P

    No problem ^^

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  15. It's funny how you are trying so hard to prove that he helped her for these reasons. Is it really that hard to admit that he just helped the girl! Actually if u look carefully, whenever there's someone in a crisis the one who would help is always Naruse. (Kido, himino, Yuki, hakamada, usami, suwa..) ..is it really that hard for ppl to understand that kind of personality!

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    1. Well, my impression is that most of the time, Naruse would only help...put an effort to help if it is related to Yuki.

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    2. Thinking about it, yes, there are times he'll help even if it isn't related to Yuki. Though in this chapter, that is the initial impression that I got since she is disturbing their lovey-dovey.

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  16. Hehe, is this something that has happened in the latest chapter or a reflection of things so far? πŸ˜…

    You are right. Based on that, it seems like high expectation = great disappointment. So the admiration become something like hate. Thinking about it, it is indeed shallow and immature. I'm somewhat thinking that it is like a fan...rather a very obsessed fan who has very high expectations.

    I heard stories of fans like their 'idols' can do no wrong = perfect but when there is a scandal or something of a 'turn off', the love can quickly become hate. The extreme...well, in stories/movies, try to correct it or destroy the 'idol'.

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  17. Ah, I see. So, that situation is still ongoing...same as before.

    True.

    I see.

    Oh...still no character development from him. Well, in shoujo, if the 2nd male lead isn't 'bad', it will be a tight fight for the girl which is usually a love triangle scenario. ^^

    Well, there are indeed people like that. Joining for fun at first/not serious then becoming serious later on for whatever reason. I guess both Shou and Yuki are lucky that they have talent on their respective interest. ^^

    Actually, he doesn't come out as perfect to me. ^^; At the start, I think it is interesting to see how he having less talent than Shou yet through hard work and perseverance managed to catch up to the 'genius' in some way.

    I think he is a bearable character until high school. After hs, to my dismay, his character devolved. As I mentioned before, I really prefer that he moved on and yes, character development rather than how he is somewhat too involved with the couple...after everything...ah, as if none of those stuff like stolen kiss happened.

    And even with all that, he is still suppose to be scared of other girls, right? It is quite odd as if the author couldn't decide if he has a sort of girl phobia-shy type then suddenly acting like a jerk-type. Ah, that is before I stopped reading. I don't know if that has changed now.

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  18. I agree. The love triangle is quite forced when it shouldn't even exist anymore. Haha, okay for a relaxing read. If the aim is to provoke readers, it works. πŸ˜…

    I agree. Actually, with him, he doesn't really seem 'shy' because of the jerk tendencies. As you mentioned, it is contradictory. Usually, shy guys, I assume, would hesitate and think twice rather than being impulsive. That isn't exactly a 'pure' guy from typical shoujo manga. It is indeed more of a phobia = scared of girls. Iirc, he was freaking out when he is touched.

    Oh. Delusional and persistent-type now, huh. Hm...so the 'love triangle' is still there. Quite pathetic of him.

    Ah, is that so. That's good ^^ No Shizuka around during that time? ^^


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  19. I see, so it is the same as before. He just appears to agitate...the readers. ^^;

    Ah, those are nice. So, it is mostly lovey-dovey scenarios these past chapters?

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  20. I see. So there is a new pair.

    Hm...weird, insecure that he'll leave her...for what, where? Because he's famous now?

    Actually, it is the first time I read this kind of love rival. Already rejected yet doing those kinds of things and getting away with it. πŸ˜… They usually stop once caught by the boyfriend. It isn't even fan service since he is practically a 'jerk'.

    That was what I thought. I hoped that there will be someone for him so that he'll quit pursuing...actually, again, usually after rejection/caught by bf, rivals stop unless he is a villain and Shizuka isn't a villain in the series.

    Well, it is fantasy of girls to be love by handsome guys = harem. There are even games with that theme. It is of course, for entertainment. ^^

    Ah about that, it usually depends like if no one else show they care and only that person so sometimes they do fall in love. There is also that 'crush/admire' thing first. There's also 'attraction' = love at first sight...though I think that is mostly on looks. So being 'attracted' + 'good deeds', I think can indeed make one fall in love. Ah, yes, there is also that 'that person is one's type'. It's really complicated in real life. In short, hehe, don't overthink it, mary. This type of manga is for high schoolers/elementary girls, etc. ^^

    True. It is unfortunate that it was handled that way.

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  21. I see. That's good ^^

    Hm... I'm having a bit of deja vu about that uneasy part. Didn't that happen before? Something like what the ex- said...like since Shou is getting better, the lover feels left out as if not needed anymore. I don't quite understand/feel this kind of insecurity especially since she is also in the same field-basketball/sports. πŸ˜…

    As usual, it is nice that Shou knows how to reassure her ^^

    Yup.

    Well, let's just say that for others, attraction is the start and the rest comes afterwards. Actually, if the other person is popular, there's pressure to go for date first and know that person more later on. πŸ˜…

    I'm talking in general especially the magazine where Namai is serialized in. Hm...I guess those scenarios would also depend on what type of characters are in the story and type of story. You know, there are even those 'let's get married due to circumstances and fall in love later on' storylines. ^^

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  22. Sorry, I didn't mean the ex, I mean how Yuki was before which is similar with the ex. I forgot the chapters. It was the part when Shou remembered the ex because of what Yuki said which is similar to the ex's.

    I actually don't quite get that 'poor Shou, his awesome personality, talent..etc, make girls leave him'. Like why? Wasn't that suppose to attract a lover and even want to support the lover more?

    True, she knows that she is loved but where is that insecurity coming from? This part, 'he keeps getting better at basketball, keeps on moving ahead of her, and becoming an awesome person. And that she feels like soon he's going to leave her behind.' Why?

    The boyfriend part, I can somewhat understand especially with some suitors lingering around and only showing their 'best' parts...actually, even their 'bad' parts and it is still okay with Yuki.

    And, it isn't like Shou is belittling her in some way because they aren't in the same level in basketball. Actually, they are in the same level since she is pretty much 'god-level' in terms of being a manager.

    True, I guess I'm puzzled about this since if it is the start, it is okay regarding those insecurities but then, how long are they going stay now? And, it seems that she still has the same issues/problems. Didn't he already reassure her about it? Oh well, I guess it is the type that one has to keep on reassuring the partner about it.

    Actually, thinking about it, Shou has reason to be very wary, I guess...I mean, just based on the stuff that Shizuka got away with.

    Hm...I think it depends. They would probably just wear it during summer. And, perhaps, if that person is conservative/traditional?

    Hehe, that isn't a surprise anymore. ^^ He did that before during high school matches and exams...she keeps on delaying this and that. Hm...somehow I wonder if that is a 'healthy' relationship. I mean, yes, it is romantic and shows how much he loves and respects her but to 'just accept that without discussing or arguing about it'. Well, if that is also what he wants, I guess it's okay. πŸ˜…

    True. If one really likes a person, one would pay special attention and remember it. Hehe, but then, you know how contradictory Shizuka is in this series so...πŸ˜…

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  23. Haha, oh...you're joking. ^^;

    True. I guess in a story, I don't like it being repetitive even if it is realistic. Or, at least a different outcome. Mentioning this, it makes me think about Shizuka's repetitive actions that lead nowhere. *shrug* I'm hoping for a bit of character development of some sort especially since a lot of time had passed.

    Hm...not really argue, but at least, what's his opinion about it. Is it really okay with him? If I really think about it, the reason for the delay of celebrating important occasions is a bit shallow. It isn't like Shou will flunk or just one date will distract Shou so much that he cannot concentrate on playing. If he has bad grades or really cannot afford to skip practice for one day/night then it is understandable.

    I get your point and I agree. πŸ˜„ Hm...weren't there some instances when Yuki showed her 'real self' to others? One time, I recall it was with the basketball team and they were pretty shocked. So until now, they still only 'see' the 'perfect manager Yuki'?

    And, what you mentioned there made me think of celebrities/having someone as an idol like they are perfect and cannot do nothing wrong. It isn't real love especially since people don't really know what that person is really like especially in private.

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  24. I see. That's good, there's development on that area ^^

    Haha, apparently Yuki assumes that Shou is like her who can get distracted by romance. Based on previous scenes, it is the contrary. Shou's moral won't drop, it will actually get a boost. πŸ˜… Also, about celebrating after the league match, there's a possibility that there's no 'good mood' if they lost, right?

    That's right. Maybe it would be nice if Shou pointed this out to her without hurting her feelings.

    I see.

    Yup. Hm...it makes me wonder if he'll ever know about it. I mean, would the author make such a scenario? It seems unlikely before.

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  25. It's okay.

    Well, I'm just thinking for myself like would I be in the mood to celebrate an occasion after losing a game/competition? That might cause another delay. Lol, by the time they will celebrate, it might be time for another occasion. πŸ˜… As I mentioned, if it is her, yes, they should postpone it.

    Hmm...first time I heard of that. For me, since I'm old fashioned and everything, I do prefer the formal confession + going steady before all those kisses, touching, and whatever. Though, I do know of the fact that what you mentioned happen in shoujo and perhaps, real life? I don't know. Lol, I mentioned that since there are really some things in this world that are unbelievable that happens. πŸ˜…

    Like you said, if it is 'mutual', the other party won't be screaming sexual harassment, etc. And yes, the biggest issue is Yuki is already taken so those things are a big no-no. As I mentioned before, there is that problem with how Yuki reacts to those advances. Except for the kiss, those hugs seems to be okay. Ah, there's still no 'negative' response from her right to make Shizuka stop bothering her with romantic advances?

    Ah, well, that's how fans can be. It can be biased. Hm...until now, there are people rooting for Shizuka with Yuki? As to who is a better boyfriend, that is also based on one's type among others. By the way, is the author still doing the 'similarities' of Shizuka and Yuki kinda of like they are soulmate or something? That was the impression I got before.

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  26. I mean, comparing Shou and Shizuka being the same because of the kissing and touching before dating. It is obviously not the same since Shizuka is doing it when she has a bf already. I would actually give Shizuka a free pass when they weren't a couple yet. ^^;

    Lol, true, but these days, I cannot it may not be 'normal' for others. ^^; I guess it is more like that in more liberal people? You know those one night stands, among others.

    Haha, let's just say that different people have different types? ^^ And yes, there are girls who likes that kind of guy. Actually, I would think that they are getting something from that person? Or perhaps, it is charisma? I'm thinking of the politicians/celebrities here. Actually, even in some 'romance help' stories wherein they are still staying with the person who beat them up and say that is love. *shrug*

    I think whether it is harassment or not depends on the person it is being done on and how others think of the one doing it. I'm thinking like if the girl is okay with it, it isn't exactly harassment. About the others, well, as you mentioned, if the one doing it is hated, they will think that. For example, what if it is a ugly old man doing it. For others seeing it, it is like that. But what if the girl isn't protesting and happily moved/fangirling over the advances? Compare it with, a handsome hot celebrity doing it.

    True.

    Oh, so there are still people shipping him? And, the author is obliging that? Lol, are you referring to a certain shoujo or many shoujo? Right now, I can only think of one infamous one doing that and even got 'enemies' because I'm being sarcastic with the male lead/s. Lol and I'm not really shipping either guys anymore at the near end arcs because the girl keeps on switching back and forth...until the end. ^^;

    Hehe, I actually think that way since they are similar in a lot of ways. ^^; But, I'm not going to jump to she should love and choose him though. I'm actually hoping that he'll be a friend wherein being similar, they can understand each other and help in each other's problems. Haha, though that can be problematic in a story since right now, even if Shizuka is like that, they are still rooting him for Yuki. So, if he is a good friend, they might ship him more and the story would be different.

    Haha, at that time, I slightly think that Shou deserves Arisa. I guess I have a soft spot for people who have one-sided love for years and love them no matter what. Himeno, not really...though I wonder if she thinks of him in that way. Did she?

    Hehe, well, helping someone a few times cannot be equated to 'love and choose that person' but it helps ^^ Ah, in that case, Usami knows that someone having a gf is 'no touch' or, Shou isn't her type? Hm...am I wrong to say that I get the impression that Usami likes older men? ^^;

    Hm...not really. It depends on the person. Personally, I prefer who is similar than who is different. It may be 'dead' but I'm not really into lots of quarrels due to differences in opinion, perspective, etc. I think both has its pros and cons like what you mentioned what happened with Yuki and Shou ^^ Again, it depends on one's preference. πŸ˜„

    In a way, the 'should date him/her because...' is a logical way of thinking. That is removing the possibility of attraction/passion. Like, this person is 'perfect match/suitable' for this other person but what if the problem is there is no 'love'. Lol, I'm thinking of dating sites and stuff. πŸ˜…

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  27. It is really a different way of thinking though I guess if one is a die-hard type fan, anything can be justifiable/twisting things in a way that it isn't bad.

    True. I read though that there are some women who believe/think that they can change the 'bad boy'. In real life, they find out too late that the guy won't change even after marriage. Ah, I guess there are those who are into bad boy-types. Ah...good guys = boring?

    Storywise though, I can understand. There was this stories wherein two guys are trying to win a girl's heart. The 'bad boy' is more interesting and has more chemistry with the lead. So, it is more fun to read/watch than the good guy whom the girl likes/likes first.

    Ah...let's just say, I'm not comfortable if the guy is going all touchy, and stuff if we are not going steady. Since I'm brought up conservatively, it is like one is 'easy' if one lets the guy do that and the guy might escalate it. I'm talking about in real life. For stories, I guess it is okay like those stolen kisses and stuff especially if the couple likes each other.

    It is Vampire Knight. The excuse was the girl has a half human and half vampire heart so whenever she is with the human, she longs for the vampire and vice-versa. It became too repetitive that it is like some sort of sick joke.

    Nope. I summarized that series. I mentioned something not nice about the character = my opinion, and some reader-fans were intensely defending about it to the point of as if trying to pick a fight. Actually, it is somewhat the same with this series. There are a couple of readers who'll react badly if I didn't comment what they like. I'm getting scared of fangirls/passionate readers. ^^;

    Haha, you know. I wonder if those people are just trolls. Like, they say things just to irritate people and enjoy the reaction.

    I see. So, if Shou's not taken, Usami might try to win his heart?

    True. I'm thinking or rather recalling about the priorities = not similar. Like, she is all about studies and basketball when he would want some time with her. Like what we talked about before regarding celebrating occasions. Of course, they don't really quarrel about this since he gives in to her.

    Oh. That's a surprise. Usami guy doesn't seem the type who is into romance. Lol, I think of him as some airhead but not into romance.

    That is nice. Ah, what worry is Shou referring to? Worry in general or is there any specific one? Ah, something like it is a a 'calm before the storm'? In other series, if that is mentioned, it means that something bad is going to happen soon.

    Haha, true...I guess with Shizuka, the author went for the opposite to make a love rival for Shou. Actually, based on those who are still rooting for Shizuka, it works to make him like that. And I guess unlike us, it makes them happy that he is doing those things. πŸ˜…

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  28. Haha, you finished it ^^ Well, I finished it since I'm summarizing it and amused over the outrageous stuff the author comes up with for each chapter's cliffhanger. So, I ended up giving somewhat sarcastic and jokes about it which very serious readers don't appreciate. πŸ˜…

    Nope, that half-human and half-vampire is there until the end. She is originally a vampire and as that, she loves Kaname. But she became human because of mother's sacrifice so while human, she loves Zero. Like you, I would think that she love them both but of course, depending on whose fan you are, you'll defend that she loves this guy the most.

    Actually, I would jokingly think that Kaname called it quits. Lol. He decided to 'hibernate' since he had enough of Yuuki's wishy-washy. Hence, Yuuki ended up with Zero. But since Zero died in the end and everything, she doesn't want to be alone, she made it as a sacrifice and revived Kaname.

    On hindsight, I think the author is quite pressured then that she is coming up with one outrageous thing after another that somehow doesn't make sense anymore. I actually like Kaname since I'm not that into emo Zero but in the end, he became emo, too. πŸ™„ Like how can a guy who lived so many years behave like a teenager. Then, there is his friends suddenly becoming enemies like wth.

    So, now, since her new series seem to be a flop, she is reviving the series. I'm not sure if you know but I think the series is still continuing. Not sure if it has ended but it is about Kaname living with the kids, and half of it is flashbacks of what happened to Yuuki and others while Kaname is taking a nap.

    True.

    Well, cool guy is not bad boy. When I say bad boy, it is the jerk types like what Shizuka is now. Actually, aside from what Shizuka does, it is really bullying like making the girl's life hard for the heck of it. And in stories like those, the guy starts to become a great guy after falling in love. If I ever read those stories, I tend to skip the bullying part. Lol, I actually did the same with the Cinderella cartoon, fastforward the bullying. πŸ˜‚


    For me, I no longer confine myself to a type because at times, depending on the story, I can actually like the character who isn't my type. πŸ˜…

    Well, actually VK is fun to read if it isn't taken seriously and somehow, I finished summarizing it. Even if it is like that and everything, it is very popular. Haha, I still remember most of it. πŸ˜…

    Oh, she finally appeared. Is she prettier than Yuki to make her insecure? I'm thinking that she ought to be a nice person to make Yuki insecure. Haha, you're thinking of the same thing already. Hm...I'm not sure about fighting unless the ex has plans on getting him back. I'm not sure distancing either...I mean after all, they are already a couple for some time/years? and she already has a mindset of 'I'm the gf', right?

    Yes, I know. I would think it also depends what kind of person the ex is. I tend to think she isn't like that since she was Shou's ex and he doesn't seem to care for such type of girls. But yes, as you mentioned this is fiction so, it might become contradictory.

    Hehe...well, we cannot really do anything if they think like that ^^ Let's just try not to think too much about it since we'll ended up stressed over it.

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  29. Yes, it's a long time ago. By the way, did you read it in one sitting? I did it per chapter every month. And, hehe it helps that there are some readers who agree with my opinions. It was fun in a way to talking about it like what will the author come up with next.

    Zero died since he got old, iirc. Well, he is human and she's a vampire so...

    I see. Well, I understand your standpoint regarding older partners. There are indeed people who don't like that especially if the age gap is big.

    Haha, I see. Well, for me, at first, I like Zero. He ended up being too emo and I'm not into his 'kill ALL vampires because they gave me trauma'. I like Kaname being intelligent and well, manipulative; one step ahead of everyone else = interesting character. As the story goes, I'm into 'I hope no one ends up with Yuuki.' ����

    She doesn't deserve either one and it is implied like she is a 'prize' but for me, she isn't. As a character, she had potential but later on, she is still the same useless dumb girl as she was in the early chapters. Heck, the author didn't give her an interesting power that she can actually use against the enemies...such a waste.

    I also hate that the author ruined Kaname as a character. Later on, he was like what...doing manicure, dressing her up and whining somewhere when she went back to Zero. Is this guy suppose to be the ancestor... so out of character. I hoped that Zero stay away from There are also other characters she ruined...sigh. Such a disappointment.

    Ah, when Kaname went to bed with her, they have a kid. When Zero was married to her, they also have a kid. In the side stories, both kids are living with Kaname. Actually, from the ones I've glanced, they are babysitting him since his memories are wiped out. In order for Kaname to become human/revive from sleep, Yuuki has to sacrifice herself just like what her mom did to her before.

    Haha, true. I usually think of love triangles as like a basketball game and the ball is the girl/object of desire. So, the fans of this character cheer when the ball is near the basket but it was stolen by the other character...the other fans cheer. Lol Though, in that way, I guess I can understand what's fun about it...like in a game.

    Haha, I summarized that one, too. Hm...if I recall, Hana did grew up in the end and well, died of old age. The one I'm somewhat cringy is similar stories but without the fantasy part.

    Like, the story of an adult taking care of an elementary kid. It was cute and everything then at the end, they married �� There is also a couple in Card Captor Sakura, an elementary kid and a teacher. I feel that it is wrong since it bothered me. Though, I guess it isn't a big deal if both are adults/older teens even if the age gap is big. Ah...of course, not like a 20-30 girl with a 70s looking grandpa. �� I guess it just depends...

    That's new. Maybe more on being pampered? From what I read, according to studies, it is because older guys are more mature. Also, they are more emotionally and financially stable than same age and younger men.

    Haha...I see.

    I guess in a way, Shou can be considered a bad boy.

    Hehe, well, right now, I tend to think that there are people who like that type of people. Just think of the different country presidents who are really 'bad' and yet, they have a lot of supporters.

    Yup, I don't like the bullying. Sometimes, in some series, I wait for the bullying to be over and just check it out if things improve. At times, some series become better. Lol, that is sometimes due to curiosity as to why people still read it/why is it still popular.

    For the Japanese readers, Kaname is the most popular one based on the character polls. I tend to think that Zero is popular with non-Japanese readers.

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  30. Well, usually, if an author showed/mentioned a character from the past, there is a high possibility that person will show up later on. Maybe she did come with friends...Arisa perhaps?

    'thinking of the same thing' = the appearance of the ex will make Yuki insecure

    I have the same impression of her. I would think that she thinks that the relationship isn't going to progress/change at all so she decided to call it quits early.

    We'll just wait and see how things go.

    True...reading comments do ruin things at times. Though, it does give a different perspective on things. Let's just say it has pros and cons.

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  31. Haha, I think that if you read it in one sitting, the glaring lapses is more obvious. Like, if it is one chapter per month, one can slightly forget what happened before and not like, be over stressed and facepalming while reading it all. πŸ˜…

    Ya, apparently because of her heart's condition. What is more irritating is the guys are okay with it...until the end.

    I don't quite recall that part. But then, even if Kaname stopped her, it is only temporary...she'll be able to go to Zero soon.

    Ah, I guess readers/viewers like that. It is like pampering/dressing up like Cinderella kind of thing. Actually, I have seen it vice-versa. The rich girl dressing up the poor boy. Kind of cosplay. Lol, in a way, it is fanservice. Just imagine your favorite star/character dressing up in all sorts of beautiful outfits in a short span of time.

    What I don't like about it in VK is the theme is serious and the enemies are supposedly not that nice so instead of planning how to defeat them and stuff, he is doing that. πŸ˜‘ I actually don't mind such scenarios in purely romance/not serious stories. Lol, actually, I'm more bothered about the manicure. πŸ˜… Though I guess that can be romantic...again, not for this series because of the serious tone...well, supposedly serious tone of the story.

    Yes, it is likely because of the relationship and the personality of the guys. Zero is more distant and rarely shows affection. Actually, with this kind of girl, I won't be surprised. Actually, he 'hated' her, too because she is a 'vampire' = hate all vampires. So, I don't think he would be like that with her. I'm assuming that he is suppose to be a troubled person like loving a girl yet she is the 'enemy'. And, I was practically protecting her for years...ah wait, it was actually a plot to make me do that...but I cannot help... Hehe, I think you get the point.

    I know, it is a complicated relationship with Kaname. Brother. And what, he is my ancestor? Lol, I'm amused over what the author can make up for her cliffhangers.

    Yup. I recall it with amusement. After Yuuki went to Zero, Zero fans are cheering. Then, all of a sudden, she slept with Kaname. There was a huge rage from Zero fans at that time. And just because Kaname went on a nap, she went back to Zero. Alas, Zero accepted her and took care of her along with Kaname's kid. I believe he deserves better but *shrug* he loves her so...

    It's possible. As I mentioned, it seems to be more for the cliffhangers. Every cliffhanger is like a bomb that came out of nowhere. It was feeling rushed that she isn't really thinking anymore and just go whatever goes.

    I actually cannot say whom she really loves. What kind of person would think of the 'other lover' when she is with her lover? I first become aware of it when Yuuki became a vampire again and went with Kaname because Zero isn't inclined to want to be with her even if he'll probably agree to it with some push and because of the 'hate vampires' thing.

    For me, she seems kind of forced to go with Kaname. And, while they are leaving, she is thinking of Zero. Then, when they are at Kaname's place, with all the dressing up, learn to drink blood etc, she is always thinking of Zero especially when Zero visited their place. Because it is like that back and forth, I'll go with the half-human/vampire thing because in the end, I'm not convinced that she really loves only one more than the other. πŸ˜… Thinking about it, it seems yes, there is a bit of sympathy but somehow, isn't that the same with Kaname especially when she's with Zero?

    About love triangles and even endings, yes, though I guess it depends on the author if they listen. I mean, are your readers really die-hard fans that would send you hate/go die messages if you didn't go their way? Lol, thinking about it, maybe that is why VK is like that.

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  32. Well, I do know that there is a gender inequality in Japan. I'm not too sure how much of it actually reflects the culture or such stuff is 'imagination' of the author to make the story more interesting/different. One has to put in mind that these are written by women for female readers. I'm talking about the 'slave/dog' stuff. I actually wonder if the 'dog' stuff has a different connotation like being 'loyal' or something.

    In a way, it is hard to generalize. Like for some manga wherein the author is a guy, at times, they write better female characters who are strong and won't let themselves be pushovers by men. About the pure guys and nosebleeds...ah, isn't that for comedy? Anyway, there are so many series that don't have those stuff. I would think that it is for the plot and if that kind of plot is frequent with a certain author, I would say that it is preference.

    I think Korea is like that, too...well, based on some drama that has a love triangle. I'm not too sure how obsessed they are though. But in real life, yes. Sometimes, when I read comments from a web article, some fans would really ship for a real life celebrity couple just because they look good together.

    In my country, love teams are a thing. The actor/actress would tend be stuck together in a lot of shows because fans want them to be a thing. Very jealous if either one get paired with someone else. Most of the time, they do become lovers though time will tell if they ended up marrying. I'm not sure how much the fans' pressure is that they ended up being a couple. And, the fans pit love teams vs love teams as to which one is better.

    I don't watch/read a lot of US shows but one particular one has that kind of obsession. That is the movie/novel Twilight. It is always being compared to VK since they were out at the same time. It is shipping a vampire vs a werewolf for a useless heroine.

    So, based on that, I cannot say that it is just Japanese who are like that. Actually, I'm more troubled about fans doing it in real life as if controlling the lives of the celebrities. Since fans are fickle, I think there will be those who'll get turned off if things don't go their way. I'm not too sure how vicious they can be...I don't know like would say bad things in social media about the celebrity. I get the impression that in South Korea it can be vicious since there are celebrities who committed suicide because of it.

    Basically, I'm not sure what is worse...shipping hard fiction characters vs real life people. Let's just say each culture has their good and bads πŸ˜ƒ

    Haha, well, if the guy/girl looks too old compared to their partner, I'm not sure I'm okay with it. I guess Kaname doesn't bother me too much since he looks the same age as them. Minus the flashback. haha

    Haha...well, pampered is like the guy cooks for you, does a lot of things for you. Treat you like the queen. Wait...isn't that the younger guy πŸ˜… True, age has nothing to do with emotionally stable or even mental age. There is a saying that boys will be boys even if they're old already. Not all though...I guess.

    For me, I have the same preference though let's say I'm not putting a limit to it because at times, if that person is just right, it doesn't matter. Lol, kind of like Yuki...have certain type/wants but when in love, sometimes it doesn't matter anymore.

    Not really. Kind of like can be rude/impolite/snobbish/disrespectful. Actually, I read of a 'debate' in real life wherein being a 'bad boy, a fan can defend that person as being 'true to oneself/being honest/real' compared to a nice guy = fake.

    Ah, with that comparison, maybe they like nice guy who has a bad side. Not a totally cute-shy guy. It is the opposite of bad guy who has a good side.

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  33. True, I guess it is more on being an 'interesting different story' = different possible scenarios though they don't really tackle generation gap. Korean dramas have that too and even the opposite kind = older woman with younger man. Hm...from google, it seems Chinese and Taiwanese dramas have it too. πŸ˜… For me, I don't mind it if it is done well. Lol, I could take it and the story/acting/looks is good.

    Well, I can only think of Arisa as the 'connection'...ah, does Abe know the ex? That's the only other possibility that I can think of.

    Hm...when you mentioned about 'know their story', I suddenly wondered if you mean lots of flashback. Hm...didn't Arisa mention that Yuki is the opposite of the ex?

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  34. Yup, it helps especially if discussing it with someone who doesn't take it seriously. There were obvious signs that it will be a train wreck so might as well have fun during the ride.

    Ya, it's an excuse. I guess it isn't as 'hateful' if it is 'I just love them both'. πŸ˜… Haha, well, not just 'scandalous'. I think there are people who read it for the male leads πŸ˜…

    Haha, I see. I guess it depends. It is creepy if all of the outfits are chosen by the guy. I think it is okay if it is occasionally like say, this outfit would look good. Hm..gift? Perhaps, also depends on how close they are or how know they know each other?

    Hm...it seems that scanlations aren't available online that much so I couldn't show you. Anyway, from what I remember, it is the part when Yuuki went with Kaname after it was revealed that she was a vampire. He had 'lock her up' for 'vampire training'. There are some clothes for Yuuki to wear. Then, he offers to do manicure...or nail cutting. I remember it because I have never seen such a scene before and I'm not quite okay with it especially since as I've mentioned, there are a lot of more important things to deal with than that. I would think that it is more of a fanservice. And, I guess it is weird for a guy to do that...like can't the girl do it herself. I just don't view it as a 'couple romantic scene'.

    That part was a blur to be now. The forced to go with Kaname was at the first arc...after it was learned she was a vampire. She is forced because Zero doesn't want to have anything to do with her. Then, after a long time with Kaname, she seems to have gone back to Zero. I do recall a hug with him before that because Zero fans are going crazy then that she is finally with Zero again. For some reason, was it pity or something, she went back to Kaname then went to bed with him. Hence, Zero fans are going berserk mad about it.

    Ah, I see. Something like 'mother instinct' to see some kid being sad and bloody.

    Well, the official reason was to put an end to everything...iirc, about making weapons to defeat the vampires...cauldron...the end part is a blur with all the craziness going on. I'm just joking that he went on a nap deliberately so that he'll be finally free from this love triangle. He also had that sudden 'fatherly' death scene with the two...it's so weird.

    Yup. So, authors sometimes have to cater to the fans' demand.

    True. I don't like such stories actually, you can say those are 'tamer'. I have seen some manga wherein girls are treated worse like harassing and forcing them to you know what, and the girl ended up loving the guy. 😨 Ah, perhaps, it is the sadist type of character?

    About girls confessing first, well, it seems to be a culture thing. It was really weird when I read it for the first time. Haha, since in our culture, it has to be guy's first. Girls who do that are 'flirty' and 'easy'.

    Haha, I guess it is funny for them. For me, like, I'm not that into slapstick like the Three stooges but a lot of people find it funny. Okay, maybe if it is real people. I am amused with cartoons though like Looney Tunes but in the end, I feel sorry for the one who is always 'beaten' up. πŸ˜…

    Ah, I see. I also read such stuff in South Korea comments. I was like, don't make people a couple just because they look great together...it doesn't work that way. Ah, that's interesting. I guess in Asia, showbiz news is a big industry with all the shipping and great interest in celebrities' lives. It can be downright stupid like 'do you know what this person gave to this person on Vday?' 'See what this person's reaction to it?' Lol, I guess even when there's not much news they make news of small things.

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  35. Hm...but then, I'm not sure if it is only in Asia. In US and Europe, I think there is a big showbiz industry including tabloids. Like who is dating who, etc. Though, I guess the shipping isn't that intense.

    Haha, I see. I actually just read in wiki about Twilight. �� Didn't read it nor watch it but there is that one song that is really nice from the movies.

    I agree though I didn't know about the 'girls and boys from the same group (like girl-girl, boy-boy)'.

    Ah, they have a term for that. It is 'second lead syndrome'. �� Boys over Flowers is really popular that there is a Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean remake of it. I think it is the top selling shoujo manga.

    Haha, true but how older looking is Kaname compared to the other two? Isn't it just a few years?

    Yup. Thinking about it, I guess it depends on the person. Do you like to be treated like a queen wherein the guy does almost EVERYTHING for you? Or, do you want to do that for the guy? Of course, I would prefer something in between. In real life, somehow, I don't think that is 'good'. I recall a cousin who does that to his wife to the point that the wife doesn't do anything anymore but take care of the child. He does all of the housework and has to go to work.

    True.

    I got you. ^^

    Haha...true.

    Nope, with the others. I guess it is more of a joke/for comedy?, thinking about it like when Shou doesn't seem to be listening, always looking at his cellphone, how the senpais react to him during high school... Haha, let's just say not exactly my type. Something isn't clicking... Though, let's just say, it happens in a lot of series so I don't really have an issue with him...it's seems more with me...too choosy or well, I don't feel anything ��

    Haha, not really. We all have our own types. ^^ Like the example of Boys over flowers, some love the 'bad boy' while others love the 'nice guy'. Regarding the rude to others but nice to you, here, it is always advised not to love that kind of guy. Like you'll know what that kind of person really is based on how he treats others like waiters, etc. For others, it is a major turnoff.

    Haha, actually, whether it is a girl or a guy, I'm not that into tsundere. Though as a story, I guess it is amusing...depending on how it is done. Hm...until now? I got the impression that it isn't like that anymore with loving tough emotionless guy = manly due to the popularity of Kdramas. πŸ˜…

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  36. Hm...but then, I'm not sure if it is only in Asia. In US and Europe, I think there is a big showbiz industry including tabloids. Like who is dating who, etc. Though, I guess the shipping isn't that intense.

    Haha, I see. I actually just read in wiki about Twilight. πŸ˜… Didn't read it nor watch it but there is that one song that is really nice from the movies.

    I agree though I didn't know about the 'girls and boys from the same group (like girl-girl, boy-boy)'.

    Ah, they have a term for that. It is 'second lead syndrome'. πŸ˜„ Boys over Flowers is really popular that there is a Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean remake of it. I think it is the top selling shoujo manga.

    Haha, true but how older looking is Kaname compared to the other two? Isn't it just a few years?

    Yup. Thinking about it, I guess it depends on the person. Do you like to be treated like a queen wherein the guy does almost EVERYTHING for you? Or, do you want to do that for the guy? Of course, I would prefer something in between. In real life, somehow, I don't think that is 'good'. I recall a cousin who does that to his wife to the point that the wife doesn't do anything anymore but take care of the child. He does all of the housework and has to go to work.

    True.

    I got you. ^^

    Haha...true.

    Nope, with the others. I guess it is more of a joke/for comedy?, thinking about it like when Shou doesn't seem to be listening, always looking at his cellphone, how the senpais react to him during high school... Haha, let's just say not exactly my type. Something isn't clicking... Though, let's just say, it happens in a lot of series so I don't really have an issue with him...it's seems more with me...too choosy or well, I don't feel anything πŸ˜…

    Haha, not really. We all have our own types. ^^ Like the example of Boys over flowers, some love the 'bad boy' while others love the 'nice guy'. Regarding the rude to others but nice to you, here, it is always advised not to love that kind of guy. Like you'll know what that kind of person really is based on how he treats others like waiters, etc. For others, it is a major turnoff.

    Haha, actually, whether it is a girl or a guy, I'm not that into tsundere. Though as a story, I guess it is amusing...depending on how it is done. Hm...until now? I got the impression that it isn't like that anymore with loving tough emotionless guy = manly due to the popularity of Kdramas. πŸ˜… Haha...at least, in terms of media like TV shows and movies.

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  37. No, I mean 'connection' as to why she is there. Who brought her there. Was it Arisa or Abe? She cannot just go there without a reason or someone invited her..after all this time when she didn't even go there.

    Hm...maybe Shou will tell if Yuki asked. Then, there will be a flashback.

    Haha. I see. I guess being more sociable is indeed growing up. I like this better than ignoring/snobbish. It somehow comes out like being arrogant. For example, I greet you and stuff but you just keep on walking/act as if I'm not there greeting you. Lol, even a nod is fine.

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  38. Hehe, it's okay. Good luck with your thesis ^^ By the way, what is it about?

    Haha...is that so. Out of curiosity, why did you read it in the first place? For me, it is the drawing and I like vampire themes...well, it was popular then. I didn't like her previous series wherein the male lead can be a boy and teen... with age gaps' fantasy, if it is a kid, I draw the line there. πŸ˜…

    I didn't fully read 'dengeki daisy' so I don't know this 'she was doing it then he asked to do it for her'.

    Haha, is that so. For me, it is really abrupt and the author has no more ideas so let's just do this and go with a time skip. Actually though, I think the series could have been prolonged and written in a better way. I imagined that she is too pressured with the deadlines that she is throwing all sorts of shocking nonsense for the cliffhangers.

    It was when Kaname is going to die and he is suddenly like some father-figure wishing Yuuki and Zero good life and stuff like that..farewell speech. I mean, after being a rival and everything, then he is suddenly like that to Zero. It is weird like out of character.

    I guess it depends. Taking initiative can be quite especially if the other party is the one who kept on pursuing like Yuki giving Shou a kiss. Of course, as we both agree, we aren't into girls desperately chasing after boys. Haha, well, definitely not into anyone chasing after someone who already has a lover.

    Haha, well, as mentioned before, there are definitely some people who thinks that is manly and cool. Well, the insensitive jerk who just so happen to be the most handsome and popular guy in school. And, perhaps, there is that 'I can change him and it will be a jackpot' mentality especially if that person is rich. Thinking about it, there is always that mentality in most stories...he'll appreciate me in the end after everything. Hm..martyr type?

    Usually, the insensitive jerk has a soft side. I mean, if he is total jerk then he'll be the antagonist. Ah wait, I do recall before in a shounen manga wherein the author is totally confused why a certain evil character is very popular especially with girls just because he is handsome. It makes me think of real life, there are some people who get away with a lot of stuff just because they are good looking...they will always have fans who are charmed by them.

    So, it isn't exactly being insensitive is manly and cool, the character isn't the attraction but rather, the looks and charm + intelligent and well, being rich helps, too.

    What is this 'oh, that guy is looking at her" and they'd draw a line from his eyes to her, but he actually isn't looking at her at all'? In real life...showbiz stuff?

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  39. I would think that 'second lead syndrome' would be more like, the second lead is their type, yes? Hm...isn't it suppose to be a generic term for both genders? But, yes, it usually applies to the second male leads and I guess it is because the second female leads tend to be, pardon the word, 'b*tches' - unlikable.

    I didn't read the manga but I did watch...well, most of it, the Taiwanese version so I have an idea about it. I think I did watch a bit of the Japanese and Korean version. Fyi, this story is super popular in our country and it is even replayed a lot of times. It is very popular for dramas since it usually made the male cast become very popular. Lol, I know Lee Min Ho from that drama since it is popular here and he came here when it was shown to promote and became an endorser for a local clothing brand.

    Anyway, I watched only a part because the first part is rich kids bullying poor girl. Lead 2 is nicer to her though. Then, bully falls for girl and chase after her for such a long time. Finally, won her. Part 2 is guy gets amnesia and mother disapproves of relationship so girl now chases after guy. In the end is a happy ending of course.

    If you read it now, it is probably like predictable/cliche but I think it was one of the 'first' that popularize such a story. But, it has its addicting effect like want to know next especially girl is standing up to the bullying, they are put in a certain situation, etc. Of course, in the dramas, it really helps to have eye candies to keep on watching aside from the story.

    Hehe, I guess that is a personal thing...liking how one smiles.

    Ah, but those authors are writing for teens so they are 'pushing for that image'. Like, anyway, most of the time, it is like he is actually nice. Or, the girl can change him from ice into nice guy...the only problem since he is rich, handsome and intelligent.

    Well, not all, there are some older woman-young guy though I think it isn't that popular for female readers. Lately, there are love triangles wherein guy vs girl for a guy. I guess it is for variety. Yes, it seems that in Korea, there is a shift for strong-type female leads. Ah, though I'm not sure how is it with J-drama since I'm comparing Kdrama to J-manga.

    Haha, well, there are really a lot of different people out there. I thought it was a joke somewhere wherein girls swoon if the guy snubs them/being mean. Though in real life, I think it can make or break a celebrity.

    That's nice ^^

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  40. Is this a school manga? Well, that's usually how they can prolong a story. I'm more into 'couple vs world/other problems'-type of dilemma than love rivals. Haha, now that I think of it, the latter half of Boys over Flowers is like that. Hehe, I guess I'm okay if it is both but less on rivals especially if the lead has chosen the one for him/her.

    Hehe...not really childish...it can be 'love at first sight'? In a way, perhaps, it has the same concept as 'let's live together first then get married'. Like, random person/classmate confesses to you. H/she doesn't look bad and you would want to be in a relationship or experience it, so let's go try it out since we are young = not necessarily to get married and stuff like that. Who knows, maybe you are the one. I'm thinking that this is more applicable to those who aren't picky = stick to one's ideal type.

    Now that I think about it, usually, that isn't applicable when one already graduates from high school. I don't quite recall such confession scenes when the characters are in college or work setting.

    Arcana...Reimi no Arcana? Yes, I've read it and even summarized it. It is kind of VK for me...all over again though I guess, not that infuriating. Thinking about both series, I guess rather than the love rivals, I'm more disappointed because in both series, the female lead has potential to become the strong types but in the end, sigh.

    Haha...well, you said it, only in manga...mostly in shoujo manga. Hm...this is about Shizuka, right? I'm trying to think of this in other manga but couldn't think of one. ^^; I mean, stealing a kiss from a committed person then be thought of as good and pure.

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  41. Hehe, it's okay. I'm doing okay.

    That's interesting ^^ Oh, good luck on that dream. ^^

    True, but I guess it is understandable for authors to do that. Well, rather than just popularity, I think money can also be considered as a factor. Popular = sales = more money.

    Haha, I'm thinking of that. Perhaps, people like us who have high ego/pride cannot like such stories of 'hope he'll appreciate me after I do all this stuff/bear with his meanness, etc.'

    I guess it is possible. It is like that person has a high standard that s/he rejects almost everyone. Actually, hard to get makes me think like that person is some idol - hard to reach and we can just admire.

    I would think that it might be the culture. ^^; A guy crying [showing feelings] can be unmanly to some people. Not showing or saying feelings = do you mean apathy? ^^; I'm thinking that I would like that kind of guy if I'm just after something else from him. Or rather, romance/being lovey-dovey is the priority for the relationship. I'm just rationalizing it.

    Ya and I guess it also happens when the pair is very popular. As you mentioned, they suit/look good together.

    Hehe, you haven't read enough shoujo to have not encountered that kind of b*tch rival/s. πŸ˜… Like fans of the ml hated the fl that they got some guys to try to attempted rape on the fl. And, what do those girls get? A hit on the hand with a ruler. It really irked me. I think that's the worst one I've read other than rival/s pushing off fl from high places.
    So, second male leads forcing kisses is pretty tame to me. Haha πŸ˜…

    Well, two handsome rich guys running after poor you is a popular storyline. Just think of Cinderella ^^

    Yes. For something different, a girl and a boy are after the boy. Usually, the other boy is the ml's best friend.

    Well, I guess it depends on the definition of love. Perhaps, love at first sight is more on attraction. Like, wow... somehow I'm attracted to this person for some reason I don't know why...well, other than s/he's really something. Haha, of course, it isn't really love, right? ^^

    Ah, aside from personality, I would think if that person is handsome/drawn well ^^ I mean, the reaction would be different if the second ml is not cute or handsome = ugly looking. I'll say, it also happens in real life. It is easier to forgive if someone has the looks.

    I'll give you an example. We have an ex-actor senator who was caught stealing a lot of money from the government. He got acquitted but was ordered to give back the money. He never give back the stolen money that 'somehow ended up' in his bank account through his right hand man. I forgot the reason he used to be acquitted but most likely, he is totally clueless what his assistant has been doing.

    So, He ran for election and won again. He just danced a popular dance in his advertisement. When some women interviewed as to why they voted for him, their answer, it is because he is handsome and nice. πŸ€ͺπŸ™„ *face palm*

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  42. Hehe, I think it is practical especially if you kind of think like this, 'well, this might be a one-hit thing so I might as well earn as much money I can from it'. I mean, if you are the type who didn't think it will be this popular and previous works aren't that good. Or, planning to retire after this/don't plan on doing it for a long time.

    Haha...prettiest. Based on Disney? Ya...though, I think that is more tolerable because the prince isn't a jerk and she initially didn't know that he is engaged so she has a chance. Well, she is also naive about the human world and yes, took her current life for granted. As for the last part, she just cannot bring herself to kill him in exchange for her own life. Ah, I'm recalling the original story.

    Hm...so kind of 'balanced' in affection? Hehe, I think it might be hard to find such men in real life.

    From how you mentioned that like 'oh finally', it makes me think that shoujo have that kind of ml for the plot. The 'oh finally' is the climax of the arc/story. ^^

    Hehe, well, there are people who likes that, I guess. Kind of like it is a challenge to 'change' him/her. I do always hear that but in real life, those women are disappointed since they weren't able to change that person.

    Haha, I think it is a typo. I mean romance is NOT the priority of the relationship. For example, guy is rich and handsome. You want him just for that 'rich and handsome' so who cares if he is cold and everything. Aren't there girls who'll 'bait' guys for shotgun marriage? Of course these days, it isn't advisable since guys can run away from their responsibility even if they love/used to love the girl.

    Ah no, there are fixed female rival who do that kind of stuff. I recently read one from Promise Cinderella - lured the fl out a cliff and pushed her down. She was a psycho b*tch. Actually, I think that type is one can see/watch from soap operas especially those from the past.


    Yup, it is KKwH. I practically skipped those parts and just read+summarize it when he changed his ways/iirc, she dumped him and he chase afer her. Lol

    True. And, I guess the true test would be if there's a problem/obstacle and they resolve it together. Haha, so for stories, that is why there are family esp mom disapproving.

    Wow. I guess they are truly devoted in the extreme way. Hm...did they bash the girls who were raped? In that kind of situation, usually, fans/blind followers tend to blame the victims or anyone else but the perpetrator.

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  43. Hehe, I see. Well, that kind of giving everything love is like putting all eggs in one basket.

    Hm...because of the title, I thought of that prince heir in England giving up the throne to marry a commoner. Is it something like that?

    With those kind of rivals, I think the author's intention is to for the readers to totally not root for the possibility for the rival to be with the lead. Though, I guess stolen kisses by rivals can still make them redeemable/likeable πŸ˜…

    Yup, that's not an excuse.

    I see. Except for the lying cause he is a celebrity, those others are used even on normal people. I think it is called victim blaming. I guess people would think that they are lying because like, how can a celebrity be so stupid to ruin their name/s like that. Apparently, there are those who would.

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  44. Thanks for telling the story, Mary. Hehe, hm...thinking about it, it does seem like stupid. I mean in the end, the enemy got the country, right? I'm not fond of such characters.

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  45. 'Stupid' = letting think badly about him without clearing his name and dying as a martyr...it is somewhat like suicide. Though, in olden times such situation is common. I recalled the Kdrama Kingdom. The prince ended up killing the king but he got over it and tried to 'save the country' = leave the country in the right hands if he couldn't.

    Hehe, you're really upset there. You are right that Shou doesn't make a big deal about it though the one I recall of him being jealous is when iirc, he said that he would want her to be only inside the house or something like that. But as you said, he just said it or other times about such jealousy but it never really hindered and pull down Yuki.

    I'm a bit puzzled though...how did Yuki become jealous...I assume it is about the girlfriend or is it fangirls? I mean is it different from Shou's? I think it is normal to be jealous at times and yes, not to made a big deal out of it especially if it isn't mutually/other party isn't actively pursuing but of course, one has to get mad when lines are crossed like stolen kiss/hugs.

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  46. Hehe, from that, somehow, I'm reminded of anti-fans in Korean entertainment. You know, those who hate and nitpick almost everything over someone. Or perhaps, those who passionately defend the ones they like and tear down the ones they don't like. Though, it is kind of weird if it is a fictional character.

    True, Yuki is the one who is more insecure than Shou is.

    If my memory is correct, it was when she got wet by the rain and they temporarily stayed at the hotel. Sorry, I don't remember the chapter. Anyway, yes, it is most likely voicing out what he felt at that time and it isn't like he is really going to do it. Well, he hasn't done it afterwards.

    Here: 'she's not clueless and naive about it as I thought, she realizes how and what hakamada is doing, and won't like it if there would be a girl like hakamada around Shou, but she doesn't really puts an end to it, here is Miyuki appearing clearly to show that she's the one who makes Yuki unrealistic when it comes to Hakamada.'

    Put an end to what? End that kind of interaction with Shizuka or end being jealous about the girl?

    Hehe, well, realistically, it is like that though hopefully, they can still somehow have time together. After all, in real life, some people would break if they are too busy in their respective lives.

    That kind of shouting something then running away from embarrassment and hiding somewhere for lovey-dovey = reassurance of love sounds really familiar like it happened before. πŸ˜…

    About the girl, was it a coincidence that she touched his hair or deliberate? If it is the latter, then we might have a female Shizuka.

    That is nice.

    I see...well, that's good. She won't rock the boat that hard = like stolen kisses and stuff. But then, I wonder if that kind of girl will make Yuki more insecure.

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  47. Ah, those who criticize Shou like that...are they all Shizuka's fans? I wonder if it is possible that there are trolls...like just saying toxic stuff to agitate readers.

    Hm...I guess it is a different chapter. But there is indeed a scene before that I thought that Shou is quite possessive. Haha, I remember it since I was summarizing it and I haven't encountered a different manga with that kind of dialogue.

    I see. Hehe, Yuki never expressed her jealousy like that before...wasn't it like her outburst with Arisa when she realized her feelings for Shou? Is the girl beautiful or anything? It makes me think that she is already like that, what if it is the ex- πŸ˜…

    I don't know...do girls with boyfriends do that? Perhaps, if they are really close.

    Haha, of all places, they get to work together. Hm...for awkward scenarios, I guess.

    She seems to be a nice perky girl.

    Hm...I'm not sure in Japan but here, you can be a year younger but in the same year/class because of your birthday. Like, your age is near the school year/enrollment, you can enroll earlier so you are younger than the usual age for that grade. Sometimes, if you are intelligent, you can skip a grade...usually in nursery or kindergarten.

    Or, maybe it is as you said, she and Shou are just a few months apart but like, her birthday is on December and his birthday is on the next year. Sorry, I forgot when. πŸ˜… Hope you get my point.

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  48. Hm...quite strange. I guess he's really not their type or something.

    Ah, it seems to be that one. Hehe, you memorized all the scenes?

    I see...so maybe the girl is the 'touchy' type. Will touch people = affection but it doesn't cross the romantic line.

    Ah...still, they are more or less the same age ^^ Technically, a year older depending on the month. ^^

    That's nice ^^ Yup, there's improvement there.

    I'm not sure if it is about being independent. It seems more like 'losing closeness'...not that close anymore. But then, in this current world, they should still be able to keep in touch with social media and everything.

    Well, it can be like that. In real life, there are people who aren't close to their families anymore when they have a lover/spouse and kids since the latter would take priority. From experience, this is more common among sons. Daughters tend to still care about the parents. It is not really a bad thing but something that will naturally happen, I guess especially with a family like hers.

    Grudge? For making her turn out that way?

    Hehe, I see. Quite odd though...the future father-in-law wanting to see the future son-in-law. Did they hit it off before? Or, want to know Shou more?

    Haha, he should. ^^





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  49. True. Though, I can understand...I mean, family is family, right and well, it isn't like they treat her very badly.

    Hm...wasn't she close to her father before?

    I see. The brothers can be annoying though it is the twins whom I don't like because of how they act with Shou, their sister's bf.

    'Hit it off before' = had instantaneously good relationship when they first met.

    Well, perhaps, the dad knows her well that she doesn't want to visit them. Though, it is strange that he wanted to meet with Shou alone.

    That's good. It would be nice if she also told Yuki that.

    I see. I think Yuki is also wrong to give in but then, perhaps, the mother should have insisted and reprimanded/teach the siblings that what they are doing is wrong. Okay, I think a lot of the blame is with the mother since she is the adult. The father is seldom home and I'm not sure if he would have acted like the mother.

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  50. I see.

    Even so, I think it is wrong. Of course, this is a manga and it is most likely for entertainment but in real life, there should be a line drawn. If they respect-whatever Yuki enough, any normal person I presume would not do such things with the bf/gf of one's sibling. It will cause less problems like misunderstanding later on especially if things aren't well.

    Hm...who would Yuki hang out more with? Didn't she just prefer not to go home?

    True.

    Yes.

    I see. I don't quite remember that anymore. πŸ˜…

    That's good. Why is the mother keep on giving her alcohol?

    Hehe, Shou the 'parent'. Hm...in other situations/stories, that kind of scenario is a love triangle type.

    I think daughter complex is popular in Asian culture. Well, popular in comedies, too.

    Is that the translation? 'Baby would popped out of you by now'? How I don't know...strange choice of words. True. Aren't they still in college? Is the mother drunk, too?

    That's nice. ^^

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  51. Ah, I see. Well, hopefully, it is that...to make her stay overnight. I won't have good thoughts of her as a mother if she wants her daughter drunk before going home.

    I mean, that kind of scenario could be a love triangle-type...just change the dad with a rival.

    Hehe...is it safe to say that you don't like any kind of complex? ^^ For me, it's okay...don't really hate or like it.

    I see. Even if she is drunk, it would be something she would usually say, right? I mean, it isn't like she is a child who'll copy what people say.

    Haha, since you told me it is him...I already think that it is him and the drawing looks like him.

    How come she is lying about 'didn't want to stay alone in Christmas' to Yuki? What is the truth?

    That was a nice mature interaction. For me, it looks like she is reassuring Yuki that Shou is Yuki's = don't be jealous with me. It could be that - it was one-sided. And perhaps, sad that things didn't work out since she really liked/likes him? Hm...any chances that she still likes him?

    It is a bit contradictory. It doesn't have 'deep meaning' so why would he be depressed? Ah, because he was 'rejected'? Well, about why she is worried about him, that can mean that she still has feelings for him...at least, cares for him and glad that he has someone whom he loves deeply now.

    I'm not sure about feeling guilty...I mean, if she does care for him, she would think ah, it's a good thing that I broke up with him because he finally found the one for him...who unfortunately, isn't me. And that might be a reason why she's sad.


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  52. Hehe, sorry about that way of saying it, I mean, is it okay to assume that you don't like any kind of complex. Haha, I'm not saying that it is a good thing though story-wise, depending on how it is done...it can be amusing.

    Ah, she is poor.

    It's possible that it is like that. She would have...rather, she might have noticed the difference in that short encounter that she can assume that he is happy and really in love with Yuki.

    That is somewhat strange. I think it is okay not to know since she might have already moved. Is the 'we' in didn't talk really much between him and her or Yuki and her?

    Is it a two floor apartment complex? I often see that as the house for the poor in Japan...from anime/manga. Aw...she's so nice and everything.

    Hm...now it makes me wonder, since you mentioned she is similar with Yuki and that kind of girl story is pretty much screaming for want of a happy ending...do you think that she will be paired up with Shizuka? Have they met yet?

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  53. Hehe, I see.

    Yuna's mother must be a 'delinquent type'.

    I see. Hm...if they are paired up...almost everyone in the series is paired up, right? By the way, was there any progress/news about Himiko? Last I heard was Usami-kun is courting her...iirc.

    It does seem that Shou regretted as you mentioned.

    Aw, that's nice. True, he realizes what he got now and he is treating her better. It is really good to have that kind of appreciation. Like, this person is special and well, for a bit of romance...it is like fate. As he mentioned, he saw a glimpse of Yuki's unseen side and that changes everything. And now, they are currently in this relationship.

    Ah, that makes me think that she still has some lingering feelings for Shou. Maybe, just feelings. I mean, can one really give up the memories when it still seems fresh for her? Maybe not so soon but I think/hope that she will start to move on. Hopefully, she will be the 'good example' of what Shizuka should have done before. Really hope that she doesn't keep on being in love with Shou. <- Common in most shoujo

    Hm...I wonder if that scene will lead to some misunderstandings again. She still doesn't tell him...rather, it's okay if she doesn't but she has a tendency to overthink/easily bothered by such things. And, they only talk when things have already escalated. Basically, what I mean is...was that scene a hint of future issues later on?

    Haha, is it a long time? Hm...shouldn't it be longer? πŸ˜…

    Hm...do you mean liking the same type of girl? By the way, I just remembered, didn't Arisa say before that Yuna is suppose to be the opposite of Yuki? Since you mentioned that their traits are similar, so the looks are the opposite?

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  54. Hm...cannot say. I somewhat recall that is how it can be said sometimes...I mean, different way from saying 'passed away'. Because, the other party would usually answer, oh, I'm sorry.

    Sorry...which guy confessed? The one who originally likes her or Usami's lil bro?

    Yup.

    Yes, but there are those who cannot move on...kept on thinking 'what if', 'should I have done this and that instead?' So, it is still fresh on her mind. I think it is especially so if she is preoccupied wit work and studies only = no social life. Even if she is busy with those, there should be times when her mind would wander.

    And, I'm not sure but keeping a picture with one's ex...doesn't that mean one still has lingering feelings? It might be for 'remembrance' and stuff but still...I just think that way.

    True...though a reason for that is getting rid of Arisa from the story. And, as an author, I think she decided to do that with Shizuka to keep him relevant in some way...more than being just a basketball rival.

    Indeed. Such 'misunderstandings' are usually the causes of conflicts in arcs when the ex appears.

    Haha, maybe I was counting the 'courting stage' because it really seem at times that they are a couple already.

    I see.

    Ah...isn't that what Yuki also shows to others? Haha, though perhaps, not cheerful and smiley but usually looking serious.

    Yes.

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  55. 'Hope she finds a good guy that will lift some of her heavy weight.' <- Hehe, hm...that doesn't seem to fit Shizuka. Maybe if he somewhat matures? Or...act less childish?

    I'm not sure that is possessive. Perhaps, a bit of insecurity? I would prefer that he didn't say that last line. It seems like a reminder to her/him. And, saying it seem like there's no trust...I don't know...it seems like that to me. I think a 'Take care and call you later' is better.

    True, it is normal to be jealous. Actually, rather than jealous, I think it should be more of 'wariness/be careful' like, this guy tried sexual harassment...that is if stolen kiss and hugs are counted. If I'm the boyfriend, I would actually offer to do it instead since I have to protect my girlfriend from that guy and it has nothing to do with being jealous.

    Ah...so it actually happened? Tsk. I'm not sure I would want this guy for Yuna. Though, it isn't surprising really since he has been doing it for some time and he got away with it. For it to repeatedly happen, I'm thinking that it is the author's ploy to agitate readers and cause tension.

    True, she got scared. Though, why isn't she reacting violently either in contrast with Shou? Where's the Yuki who always hits Shou when he does those things against her will? I guess that is what the other readers are pointing out.

    Well, perhaps, Yuki has a tendency to lower her guard with Shizuka. He has shown this side before. It isn't the first time. After everything, it is only now she recalls the kiss. I don't know...since she is a fictional character but normally, one would avoid that person after that incident, right? Or, at least, know not to create situations wherein they are alone. Again, I prefer Shou to be at least one step ahead.

    And again, this is the author's ploy. It is like a recap of the stolen kiss. What happens next MIGHT be: She acts uneasy. Shou asks what is it. Will he now do something about it? I hope so. If he will be paired off with Yuna, this would most likely be the last time this will happen.

    Hehe, you know, Mary, I can somehow think that is believable. You know, in other shoujo/stories, there are people who would like the jerk to be with the girl. I think one of the worst one I came across is after raping/attempted rape etc, they ended up together. But well, you know it is easier if the guy isn't TOTALLY bad or becomes good later on and handsome/charming.

    So, she didn't show any of that scared anymore? She is totally fine? I guess with that kind of ending, that's it for that incident? Perhaps, awkwardness when the two meets again.

    Hehe, so the 'not scared anymore of that small fry' was a bluff? So, there is indeed still some insecurity since he has to really work hard to behave himself. It would be interesting if when they met, he asked, did that Shizuka try to pull anything on you? = not jealousy but protective of her. ^^ Though, that might lead to other things that the author doesn't want to happen...yet?

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  56. Hakamada's is that guy that society would view as the nice guy who never gets the girl but deep down he's the actual a**hole.

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  57. Hehe, basically, for him to stop chasing after Yuki. ^^

    Yes, still...why a reminder? If it is for himself, why not just think about it. Ah...since you read the series in detail, are there thoughts from Shou? I know there are from Yuki and even Shizuka. I think it would help if Shou has that to understand him more rather than for us to just figure him out based on his words and actions. Okay, for me, it helps to understand the character better and empathize. It makes me think that is why I can somewhat understand Shizuka...minus the times when he is a jerk/pervert.

    That's right...so why not, 'be careful and by the way, here's a taser/pepper spray in case he does something. Lol. But since this is happening like for so many times, can I just shrug and well, I just don't care anymore.

    Ah, the readers? So, what's their reaction again about this incident?

    Sorry, do you mean the Yuna and Shizuka possible pairing got more votes than all the other pairs in the story?

    That's right. It's one thing for it to happen once or twice but repeatedly. Is that what they call lazy writing? Repetitive situations and so far...same outcomes. Again, hopefully, this is the last time though I won't be surprise either if it isn't.

    Hm...I have a thought. If ever Shizuka will stop chasing/harassing Yuki, do you think it is possible if it is Yuna who will make him stop? Based on the stolen kiss incident, Shou wasn't able to make Shizuka stop it.

    I agree that it is unrealistic. I don't know...doesn't it kind of make Yuki stupid to keep on making the same mistake/get herself in the same situation many times and react the same way?

    You know, I think it has nothing to do with the author being a woman. There are much worse out there and the author is a woman. I guess that is their belief/think that it sells for readers...I don't really know but ya...it has nothing to do with being a woman = would portray women with self-respect, etc.

    Ah..it's abnormal. I guess it isn't surprising when people would think that she likes Shizuka...well, if not as a lover, at least as a friend whom she can forgive whatever he does? Ah, Mary, maybe we shouldn't think about it anymore because the author is obviously deliberate doing it...repeatedly.

    Saying I'm not scared of the small fry' but still somewhat jealous/insecure. Haha, but then, not scared of Shizuka about what...stealing Yuki, basketball? He was telling Yuki that and did Yuki mention that/ask if he's scared of Shizuka? Was he scared of Shizuka before? It was 'not scared anymore' so he was scared...

    I agree it is normal so why bluff/lie. Maybe, a little honestly is nice. Tell her about it and she hopefully would understand and not create situations wherein those incident can/might happen. But as you mentioned, those who dislike him will most likely find fault in that. Do you think that Shou should 'not trust' Yuki enough to be able to defend/hinder Shizuka's harassment?

    I mean, if I as the bf say, I trust you but I don't trust him to keep to himself when you are alone with him. But, girl insists it is okay. Then, she goes and that happens. And what...wait, I think that happened in the stolen kiss and Yuki just goes on with the usual. But then again, I think a normal gf would be more careful/wary of that person unless as you mentioned...there's something else between them.

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  58. True. Well, I guess it is really hard. Gf keeps on getting herself 'attacked' and he has to be a 'good boy'. It's not really bad but somehow, I feel sorry for him that he has to reassure himself like that. Actually, in my point of view, well, if I'm the gf, if this isn't something necessary = she has to be the one who bring the notes to Shizuka, I'll get someone else to do it. Why put the bf in this predicament?

    If it is about being basketball manager and stuff, Shou SHOULD be okay with things like that because it HAS to be Yuki who does those things. Here, I don't quite think so. Wait, are they classmates? Who was the one who made Yuki go again? ^^;;

    That's right. I think it is problematic though I think it is deliberate = making readers misunderstand like Yuki and in the end, turns out to be something else.

    I see...though that kind of reaction is understandable.

    Ah, okay. With this recent incident, I agree.

    Normally, okay, even in most shoujo, Shizuka ought to get at least a punch and should be more since they aren't exactly 'good friends' right now. It is definitely the author...she has something else in mind with Shizuka though hopefully, not run out of ideas that she is repeating that a lot of times already.

    That's right but then, not totally impossible. I'm thinking of people who got away with it and still keeps on doing it. Not really a mental issue, most likely a moral issue. But then, it can be mental since he is also a 'shy pure guy'. Haha...like split personality?
    And, about stolen kiss/move from the rival, any of that done when the girl already has a bf, it usually stops after that ONE time. No more repeats.

    Perhaps, it is also more on culture/mentality? How they view women in general? Like, in reading a certain author's stories, you can see the pattern on how they like their characters. Those who write about weak damsel in distress girls tend to write them like that in all their other stories. Then, there are those who always write the male lead as jerks who become 'good guys' after meeting the girl.

    True. I guess the problem is Yuki's actions. Even if she never thinks that way, she acts kind of differently as if Shizuka is different from the others. It is like mixed signals and if you read/watch a lot of shoujo/romance stories, one might interpret it as something else. I mean, there are stories wherein one would realize, ah I thought it isn't love but it is because of the way I'm UNCONSCIOUSLY/SUBCONSCIOUSLY act.

    The issue is, this is a 'one true pairing' series so it kind of doesn't make sense to keep writing about possible love triangle scenarios. Okay, it makes sense if you would want to prolong the story because Shizuka seems to be kept as a source of 'constant conflict for the story'.

    Haha, isn't that bad. Telling her honestly doesn't help anymore? ^^;

    No, no, I mean if you are an outsider who doesn't know much what's going on between the couple. Like a schoolmate. Say, you pass by Shizuka's house and saw that. Then the next day, they are okay. And, she has a boyfriend. What would you think? What if you are the gossipy-type? Anyway, it is hard to analyze it since things are becoming unrealistic especially how the characters react...rather how the two are acting like nothing happened at all.

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  59. Hehe, I don't know. I think it works both ways? Whether boy or girl, it is a no-no. And, at least, consider that such incidents can cause trouble, misunderstanding and jealousy. It would be a bit tolerable if it is a platonic thing.

    What was she going to give him? I mean, if it is homework, I can understand but if it is basketball-related, can't it like wait until he comes back to school? I see, so it is as a manager. Ah...hehe, maybe next time, she just have it delivered by someone else. =P Wait, so his brother was there all the time when Shizuka did those stuff or the brother left -> they were alone?

    Haha...you pretty much covered all the 'typical shoujo plotlines'.

    Hm...correct me if I'm wrong but I recall there were previous instances wherein Yuki can correctly read Suwa. Ah, she also tends to not get Shou, either, right? ^^;

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  60. Ah, I see.

    So, his brother made her go in. They were alone and the brother came back?

    I also have that impression regarding how Yuki treats Shizuka. I guess it SEEMS that there is something is there because Yuki doesn't react negatively to the things he does. Though, I recall mentioning before that it can also viewed as 'nothing' to her. Like, it was nothing to her...no big deal so it doesn't matter how many times he does it, they are okay with each other. Ah, something like that. That's how I rationalize it. And, I guess readers who don't like it make a fuss? The author is like that [/like Yuki] too?🀷‍♀️ So, that kind of thing keeps on happening?

    That is good ^-^

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  61. True. By the way, are they still in first year college? Was there anything about basketball? Like winning the Nationals, stuff like that?

    It's possible. Maybe, if she did, then she can properly reject him? Ah, he was already rejected, right?

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  62. I see.

    Hehe, well, normally, if the other person didn't get it, it is better to re-affirm it like, hey don't do that, I already rejected you, I want to still be friends with you but if you keep on doing that, I have to draw the line. Something like that. Oh well...

    Hm...where is Yuki all that time?

    Anyway, I think he is just comforting her and perhaps, reminded of Yuki then. I don't know being a gentleman-type. The problem though is well, he has a girlfriend and well, she's the ex. I agree regarding Yuna...though, it may seem that she still has lingering feelings for him. Haha, it doesn't help that he says the right things that made her break down. ^^;

    Hehe, well, it's for the story. It is like what I mentioned, what would the others think if you see your lover with the other person doing that. They would think that Shou is being flirty with other girls when it was actually initiated by the girls.

    Let's just say, Shizuka is really lucky that no one saw them? Ah, let me guess, they are harsher on Yuna about that compared with what Shizuka does with Yuki?

    On a side note, Happy New Year ^-^ Sorry for the late reply, I haven't been feeling well.

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  63. Ah, I see. Was there a scene about the fortune teller? In shoujo, they would usually say something bad = cause confict = make girl waver about some possible bad thing happening soon. Of course here, since Usami saw them, she might tell Yuki and cause her to be insecure/jealous.

    Well, it is possible. Still have feelings = first love never dies. Never looked for him, well, she believes that it is one-sided love so why bother. Lol, in a way, isn't that like Shizuka's case though he kept on bothering Yuki even if it is a one-sided love.

    I agree. It is so hard to watch/read such scenes especially if the character is likeable.

    Yup.

    I see. ^^

    Nothing much. It seems to be a minor cold/allergy though I'm not sure where I got it. Because of the pandemic, it cause more worry but thank God, it didn't get any worse and I'm feeling better. Thanks. πŸ˜„

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  64. I see. So, well, hopefully, that advice and overcoming the possible issue with Shou-Yuna will give Yuki some character development. Haha, and if we are lucky, perhaps, the author will use that to make Yuki realize about keeping distant from Shizuka.

    Well, someone has to initiate the conflict of the story. πŸ˜…

    Actually, you are right, it is to mess things up. Prepare yourself for the succeeding chapters. There might be some drama incoming.

    Well, it's for the story. You know, I have a sudden thought like what if the author made Yuna go into a 180 change and become like Shizuka. During the first chapters of the story, I would have never thought that Shizuka would become the jerk he is now. I'm expecting a little innocent crush and plain basketbal rival.

    Well, for some, it is like 'real love' because they didn't give up easily. Of course, it is bad if it is one-sided. Actually, it can be beautiful-ish sad if there is no sexual harassment like touching, hugging and stolen kisses...and even threats.

    It's the reply to this 'It's better to make her fall for him again rather. I'm not ok even with this tbh.'. Seeing one-sided love and unable to move on.

    Ah, I see. That's good that it isn't anything serious πŸ˜€ During this times, one can easily get paranoid especially with people who suddenly cough or talking with someone then realize the other one has no mask. πŸ˜… Is it require in your country?

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  65. Hehe...in a way, yes, unrealistic though I figured, there might be still people who are like that especially if they didn't find someone else. Or do you mean Shizuka's current actions and Yuki's reaction unrealistic? πŸ˜…

    I see. True, it can be hard to breath at times especially if it's hot. Oh, does it snow there? Here, it is a tropical country. It is around 27-30C in my city. Cooler than before since it is raining due to the La Nina.

    That made me laugh...of all what it could look like, it looks like a beat-up panty? I mean, did they mention that? Well, kids especially bullies can be cruel. A friend would have understand.

    Let me get this straight first. So, Yuna is practically 'babysitting' the mother who doesn't appreciate what she does? What's her mother's job again? I get the impression that she is somewhat negligent but thankfully, Yuna is mature type...perhaps like Yuki who quickly become like an adult due to the family situation.

    Ah, regarding that, yes it is the opposite. πŸ˜… Perhaps, that is why their 'mask' shown to others is the opposite? Mask = Yuki is always strict and serious while Yuna is always smiling.

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  66. Haha, true.

    Yup.

    Well, the kid could have said rag or something but panty. Is it a boy? Lol, hopefully, those sewed scraps of cloths aren't from used panties. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜…

    I see.

    Works in a society....club? Escort/bar girl type?

    Hm...what does her mother spend things on? I recall you mentioned she smokes so maybe cigarettes. She was on date with some guy...hopefully, she isn't spending money on men. 😨 And, her daughter has to work just to pay bills and stuff.

    Seeking love from her mother so her mother doesn't know affection/gratitude? No remorse at all that Yuna has to do a lot of jobs? Hm...she seems like Cinderella.

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  67. Haha, actually, that can be a typical scenario. Like, later on, that boy falls in love with her. Or, actually, he likes her and to get her attention, bullies her. You know...the jerk types. Ah, just in case, does the boy look like a young Shizuka?

    Actually, working in a club...the woman needs classy outfits, right? It is needed as part of that profession.

    Hm...if they are the ones who come for her, it is easily to 'milk them for money'. πŸ˜… Haha, unless they are also poor types. Ah, 'they're the ones that come for her' -- was it shown? She has many men after her?

    Yes, if it is many guys. If it is one guy, it is possible like she feels guilty about having a good time with someone else so she doesn't want her daughter who is always working to make ends meet see that. But then, if she already spend nights with him and Yuna knew... Basically, it seems like she isn't a priority anymore.

    Old...but does he look rich? Haha, you know, the need of sugar daddy...possibly. Oh well, she doesn't give a good impression so I'm thinking of that. Who knows...maybe it is indeed love. It would be better if she's honest about it with her daughter. Maybe she also fears Yuna getting fed up that she is sacrificing a lot and her mother is like that.

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  68. Haha, true.

    Ah, okay.

    Hehe, I see. I guess it is a wait and see as we get more information.

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  69. Haha...totally weird. Why Shizuka of all people? Are they close or something? By the way, does Usami know that he likes Yuki? Though story wise, it is understandable to create drama.

    Well, you know...for me, it makes Yuki look bad. What happened to the trust and everything? Does she think that Shou will easily go to his ex or is some kind of playboy? Haven't she thought of all those stolen hugs whatever she had with Shizuka? And unfortunately for Shou, he got caught/it happen in public where there are many people.

    Oh well, maybe she is too emotional and jealous at that time so she cannot think straight. It doesn't help that Shou answered her that way as if they are hiding something. Too bad there is no follow up to clear things up. And, without resolving and clarifying things, Yuki is pushing him away to Yuna. 😐

    Well, in stories, if something important breaks, that usually means the fight will be dragged out. Ah, for series that have a fixed couple. If this is a love triangle/polygon, that would hint on something else.

    True. I think it is the biggest problem between the two. I can still recall in the summaries, I always mention communication as something that can solve a majority of their issues.

    Suwa's fight? Haha, I forgot. But yes, it seems that he is giving her space and perhaps, calm down and think properly. Hopefully, not for too long because that might lead to another misunderstanding like you don't care about me anymore drama. πŸ˜…

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  70. Ah, so Usami knew. From that and about telling Shizuka about it, I guess she is rooting for Shizuka? Or, empathizes with him being in a one-sided love? Ah, does Usami really think that something is going on between Shou and Yuna?

    Not really surprising. I mean, for me, it seems that the author is going for rivals still friends who know the other well. Well, Shizuka does think straight if Yuki isn't involved with him, right? I mean, the issue isn't about him and Yuki. And, it could be something like, Shizuka doesn't think that Shou is that type of person. Hm...does that mean he trusts Shou more than Yuki does? πŸ˜…

    Wow, those are huge signs that Yuna is still in love with him. He realizes it, right? But then, Yuna is most likely too nice and keep a distance as long as her emotions can let her.

    Yup, the usual drama there with the towel. She pushes him away and when, he does that, she goes, why is he ignoring me. She's taking Shou too much for granted. Haha, yup, caught = for more drama = prolonged misunderstanding.

    Haha...okay...it seems that it is going for love rectangle. Hm...maybe the author will make this an opportunity for Shizuka to know Yuna? Do you think they'll have some sort of double date scenario later on? Yuki is too careless. If Shizuka is a huge total jerk, being defenseless like that in her room alone with him...it won't be just a hug.

    If I'm the author and I were to redeem Shizuka, I would use this incident to make him the 'bigger man' by actually helping out the two sort things out and be together again. Kind of I don't want to see Yuki like this. And well, didn't he think it was a misunderstanding? If she wants him to continue to be a jerk, yes, this is an opportunity to make the issue bigger and prolong the quarrel.

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  71. Well, yes, but this part = 'thought "even if I know that this is something wrong but.. went to him and told him, do your best Hakamada kun"' It looks like support to me. I wonder if she can still say the same thing if it is towards someone else who likes Suwa.

    Ya, and it seems that is like what happened with Shizuka. Changing the personality/behavior just to suit the plot.

    Was she insecure/feels inferior to Yuna? I don't know...I'm somewhat comparing it with Shou's reaction towards the stolen kiss. It wasn't like he would tell her to go with Shizuka. And yes, Shou did feel somewhat inferior towards Shizuka but going to do that kind of thing and then, going emo why he does what she said. πŸ˜… To be fair, I did read that kind of scenarios a lot...and well, I think it also happens in real life. Kinda like the stereotype jokes about women being hard to understand.

    True.

    Yup...for now. You can never know if the author suddenly makes her act different. Something like she cannot control emotions and things like that.

    Oh...if that's the case, this quarrel can drag on. Hm...perhaps, there's a chance that it would be Yuna who would clear the misunderstanding once she finds out what happened between the lovers?

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  72. True. That is why I wonder how can she be kind of cheering for Shizuka when she wouldn't want the same thing to happen to her and Suwa, too. I mean for her to have another girl doing what Shizuka does.

    Ah, I see.

    Sorry, perhaps, not the kiss...but the hugs. How many stolen hugs did Shizuka had with Yuki when she is already bf with Shou and did she tell any of it to Shou? If it was a stolen kiss from Yuna, Shou might tell her. Ah...not sure what would Yuki do then though...^^;

    See? It's the same with Yuki. The last hug I remember reading was after the stolen kiss while they are in practice. Yuki didn't think it was anything and didn't bother telling Shou. What's the difference now? Didn't it cross her mind? Just because she's the ex? And, it is okay with Shizuka since it is a one-sided thing? Is that it?

    Haha, bad bad good. So the good part is the last part? Bad is quarrel escalates?

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  73. It is indeed unfair. Though, I somewhat kind of get it if it is the ex. I mean, it can be misunderstood more because of the previous relationship. Let's just say, one would indeed get more jealous and everything if it is an ex compared to an admirer/fangirl-type. Haha, I guess the 'moral lesson' would be don't ever have anything to do with ex-es when you are already in a relationship? πŸ˜…

    Simple pat...on the head? Well, just apply the 'moral lesson' above and we'll have peace of mind πŸ˜…

    Hehe, glad to hear that. I try to be objective as much as possible though there might be a bit bias here and there. I do correct myself if the facts are so obvious already.

    Ah...it would be better if this happened earlier and not of the excess drama before complete with stolen kiss and hugs.

    But yes, it is pathetic in a way. She let herself be convinced by Usami to go for Shizuka? And, she is letting him kiss her? I'm thinking that this is like those scenes wherein someone wants to drown one's sadness by drinking then doing really stupid things. Luckily...I mean really, if Shizuka is a TOTAL jerk...she'll be really regretting what would happen next. Ah, but then, they are outside, right? She's not drunk or anything?

    Yes, it is like the relationship is so weak. Actually, it would be more believable if it happened earlier when they are just going out. But after everything, she still doubts him. Did he show any kind of special affection to Yuna aside from what happened in that incident? I mean, if there were other scenes she saw and misunderstood...it is somewhat understandable that she would TOTALLY misunderstand that hug. But if it is JUST that HUG... It's too sudden.

    I don't know...yes, there are negative emotions, etc...but she's giving up too easily. Not even going to fight for him. Easily 'brainwashed' into thinking of the worse without even bothering to at least clarifying things...just going out with Shizuka just because it was suggested to her?

    'puts herself in uncomfortable situations just if it means the other person is happy.' <- You mean she's giving up just to make Shou happy because she thinks he is happier with Yuna?

    Haha, true...it isn't an obligation though being helpful is a plus when courting.

    Lol, wait, is that what the date is for? I just watched a Kdrama with the same scenario but then, girl is 'unattached' but still loves the ex. Kind of last hurrah, consolation prize before the final rejection.

    Indeed. I really think that Shizuka's personality/character just depends on the situation when he is indeed to be a jerk or suddenly really nice-gentleman-type/forget that he was jerk for the sake of the story. It's weird that he is forceful with Yuki at time then he suddenly goes puppy mode in other times...especially with other females. Ah, does he still do that?

    It is like a split personality-type though I guess it can be explained like, ah, it is because of his emotions going amok whenever he's with Yuki = cannot control himself.

    Ah, by the way, what year are they already in? 2nd year college still for Yuki?

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  74. Wow...not even on the head. I guess it is a no-touch the opposite gender policy.

    Well, that is not to ruin things...or even ruin Shizuka's character especially if the author is planning on making him/still interested in portraying him as a 'good guy' = based on those as if nothing happened scenes afterwards. It is very illogical to act normal with someone who did those things against your will. In one way, it gives the impression that Yuki is okay with it.

    I think that if the author would wanted to prolong the story, it would be nice to focus on the basketball side. Hm...I get the impression that in the college chapters, it is more on romance-relationships. Are there still games/competition chapters or like a goal to win the Nationals-something? Perhaps, that is boring for the readers? Well, I do have to say, doing all that does cause drama = something to talk about among readers.

    True. It is out of character. She tends to go after Shou when threatened, iirc.

    If it is just those then, it is okay to be doubtful but not to the point of giving up. πŸ˜…Haha, thinking of it now, she is crying and everything as if they have broken up when Shou hasn't said anything about that at all. She is just assuming things. Too bad for her, the ones around her didn't point that out to her.

    True. Ah, if she's too scared to lose him and wants him only for herself...why would she 'push' him to her and seemingly give up...and easily date another guy for a favor. As you mentioned, where is the 'He is mine' Yuki?

    Well, she is indeed the loser if she's easily giving up without a fight...what's worse, I guess is, Yuna isn't even doing anything yet to steal Shou from her. I'm thinking of girls who are manipulative and everything...it would be very easy to break them up through Yuki.
    Like, planting things in Shou's bag, calls, messages for her to see...you get me? And, she is giving up over a hug, pat = not knowing why it happened and a missed call? on the phone.

    I don't know...dating some other guy while you are still attached is a no-no, no matter what. There would be lots of drama if someone saw them together...took a picture of them and showed it to Shou. It's in public and there's holding hands, too, right? Even if she is indebted to him, dating isn't a reward to be considered, in my opinion.

    I mean, if you are courting someone, being helpful to that person helps in winning one's heart. I prefer that in stories rather than jerk/bully-type then the girl falls for him. πŸ˜… I can understand if someone falls for someone who is helpful and as you mentioned, that doesn't mean that s/he MUST date him/her for it.

    By the way, which story has this 'romanticizes and obligates the girl to date someone she doesn't like just because he helped her sometimes.'? I think it is more on love triangles and more on readers doing that. Something like that other guy/girl 'deserves' this person for being so helpful/nicer/better in almost everything than the main lead. But in the end, love wins...in most stories.

    Hehe, well, he should. But then, hopefully, Yuki is more receptive by then...no longer lashing out on him. Do you think that they'll solve this themselves or someone will intervene for them to come together and resolve it? I do prefer the first one. The second one is more on...if one of them is still stubborn and doesn't want any explanation/still hurting over the last encounter.

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  75. True, those aren't good excuses. Well, the naive part...can it still be used when she's already in college? But then, I guess there are those kind of people - maturity not equal to age. And, yes, even if it is nothing to Yuki...she doesn't think it's wrong? But it is wrong if it happens with bf?

    Okay...and how many days has passed since then? Just two days and she already thinks they have broken up? I don't know, it really seems to show the depth of her feelings for him.

    So, she's thinking things to the point of thinking that Shou broke up with her so went out on a date with another guy with a bit of convincing from others? Doesn't really sounds good, right?

    I don't think she will tell Shou about the date. Well, if I were Shou, I would think like what I have written above if I knew. What about you?

    Haha, I don't know how much of that reflects on Japanese society though. Well, as you mentioned, I think even in other races, if the guy is the one they like/nice + good looking, you can get away with some things or well, you'll have defenders.

    I just remember what you mentioned before about fans being very defensive about their idol/crush even if the evidence of wrongdoing is really concrete. I guess, it is human nature for avid fans?

    Oh okay. I forgot where did he kissed her though...was it lips? Haha, I don't quite recall now how much the rival helped her though he was such a jerk at the start.

    Better in what? Respecting girls? Basketball? I guess it depends on the reader.

    This has always been the style of the author. Make things really bad then in the next chapter, suddenly make things okay to almost to the point of as if nothing happened.

    Honestly, I don't get Shou's apology. Wasn't he already doing all that? 'who always puts you first and care for you'. If I were Yuki, I would think, geez, I made him feel that way. I think it would boost his confidence if Yuki reassured him about it.

    That last part, he is reassuring her again. Actually, even before, iirc, he has always been saying that right? I hope that she'll also do the same for him. If she did, maybe a bit more.

    And, it seems like they shoved the misunderstanding over the rug without even talking why it happened in the first place. They/the author divert it into the talk about the coming baby. Ah...hopefully, they talk afterwards about what are they exactly sorry about.

    Yes, it has always been like that. It is the author's style. The first time I noticed it was Shizuka's first hug/their first quarrel during the fireworks. There was a long discussion of defending him/her etc then in the next chapter, it was all miraculously fixed as if nothing happened. Same with the stolen kiss. I forgot about the others though. ^^; The thing is, was the root problem really fixed?

    Hehe, I actually already gone through that after the stolen kiss then somehow, immediately after there is a stolen hug as if nothing happened. I got the feeling that the author will prolong that Shizuka thing with Yuki. Well, as I mentioned, that should have been resolved earlier because it ruins things/mood of later on.

    Maybe if the author stops doing these jealous stuff with the rivals, you'll enjoy it again. I think it was like that when they graduate high school but before the college part. Since there is a baby mentioned, I think the future arcs will focus on that. Make the readers think about them being 'parents'. Hehe, forget that stuff until the next 'drama'?

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  76. I agree. Normally, one would realize, ah, so if this happens with me and Shizuka then Shou learned about it...this is how it feels. Actually, it is still just a hug and hasn't proceed to a stolen kiss-type. πŸ˜…

    Haha, I don't know... How long have they been going steady again? It's more than a year, right? Not talking for two days because of a misunderstanding = break up? Frankly speaking, if this is real life, things should be very, very problematic if her confidence is that low.

    You know, this is something I usually compare with main leads and rivals in stories. Main leads tend to give up easily especially when the other party also loves them. But, rivals don't know when to quit like Shizuka. Doesn't that show the level of 'love' they have for the other? It is something like if you give up easily, that person isn't worth fighting for. Hehe, if Yuna is manipulative stealer like in other stories, Yuki doesn't stand a chance.

    I agree but then, the author is fond of that. Touching heavy drama then suddenly resolving everything with I'm sorry, I love you dialogue + lovey-dovey in the next chapter.

    But like: "you were too hurt to think straight" something? -> to the point of dating someone else for some reason? πŸ˜… Dating him of all people... Purpose = unconsciously want to make me jealous or something?

    Okay...Better as a boyfriend/guy...because? He treats her nicer compared to Shou?

    'who always puts you first and care for you', he said those lines to Yuna <- Ah...that can be a cause of a misunderstanding.

    For me, it sounds like an reassurance like you are my one and only so everything will be okay. And, it always does until the next issue come along. Oh well, relationships do need that but then, as you mentioned, it does seem like she is doubting him easily. True...it can be tiring to have that kind of lover.

    True. It seems to be assumed that he is the 'cool guy/bf', he'll handle it on his own. Haha, but then, I don't get why he thinks he isn't good enough for her compared to Shizuka. Basketball...perhaps, but as a lover? Is he also insecure about that part? Is it because Yuki gets along with Shizuka more? Or, is it just jealousy?

    I can feel your disappointment. It is indeed a big no-no. I don't even know if I should assume that she is naive, didn't know any better, brainwashed...it is all excuses. The possible problematic part is, she most likely won't tell him about it. I'm not sure if the other two will tell Shou about it. Will the author still bring it up or it will just vanish as if it never happened?

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  77. Ah...I think it is time to find another Namiki summary - few comments. This one is full. πŸ˜…

    And...that is already considered break up? I'm just wondering...isn't it too fast though I'm not sure how long should she wait for a confirmation if the guy isn't contacting her. There is a showbiz thing like that here. Girl and Boy had a quarrel. For some time [<- I couldn't find any articles regarding how long], Boy didn't contact Girl. It seems to be called 'ghosted'. Then, one day, paparazzi found out that Boy already has a girlfriend. Girl was shocked to know that they have already broken up. She didn't know and thought it is just a cool off period. Is that how things work nowadays?

    That is understandable though I don't know...just over a hug...after all that you mentioned with the other girls, she immediately thinks that Shou chose Yuna over her because of a hug and she's the ex? That's it?

    I agree. But then, I wonder if a relationship is okay if it isn't 100% trust. Regarding that, I think if one sees signs then it is okay to be doubtful. Basically, in my opinion, don't be like fangirls-type who is blind to the signs. And perhaps, if checking, better if the other party doesn't know because it can ugly like 'you don't trust me' = example like always coming home late. He says work. How would you know? Maybe like my cousin, hire a detective.

    Ah, true, an 'ego thing'.

    You do have a point. So, how did they made up? Just say sorry for the quarrel? Not about the cheating? Hehe, in my mind, I'm thinking that it was like Yuna is stealing Shou so Yuki has to fight for him. If Yuki thought it is mutual, and everything is okay with a sorry...so she's okay with the cheating? πŸ€”πŸ˜…

    Misunderstanding because it can be thought of romantically especially since they were ex-s. I mean if you hear your bf saying that to his ex...what would you think?

    Yes, it can be normal though I'm not sure I want to be in that kind of relationship wherein I'm always wondering if I'm good enough for him and make him happy. I mean, why be in this relationship in the first place if I'm not good enough and he doesn't think I can make him happy? πŸ˜… Isn't it presumed that you are or else...why would I want you to be my lover? That doubting is more on comparing against other people and that person won't be happy/satisfied because there will always be someone better. What do you think?

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  78. Well, three, it is also for drama. Usually, the author uses him if she wants to go for somewhat serious drama. Well, before, whenever Shizuka comes into the scene which are romantic related, commens are easily filled up with lots of debate and stuff.

    I agree. The love triangle is forced. As we keep on talking about, it is abnormal that Yuki reacts that way to Shizuka's advances then everything is back to square one. Well, anything with a love triangle especially with two handsome guys can be toxic. I noticed that in kdramas and I think in the Twilight novels. Haha, that is when I realize that there is a team this guy and team this other guy-type of stuff.

    Oh, I didn't know that. So, all that was fan service. I guess it is a case of 'customer is king'. Are there many of them? If it's a lot, it's possible for the author to oblige. Unless, it was like, oh, I can use that scenario for what will happen next. Actually, I haven't heard of an author agreeing to that extent but then, there were no social media before...there were letters though.

    True. I actually thought the author would stick to the Slam Dunk concept wherein the other guy is a rival in basketball and not in romance. If ever, just a crush and make him fall in love with someone else. But it kept on going on and on. It wasn't suppose to be a full pledged love triangle story, I think but I guess because of the fan readers....🀷‍♀️

    Ah, well, each one has their bias in shipping even if the ml isn't bad. True, that's how it is in the shipping game between fans of a series. It is a never ending debate.

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