August 5, 2020

Free Talk: Skip Beat 284

I’m curious though why the rumor isn’t immediately flatly denied. Is there some sort of protocol that it has to be the agency/company that has to deny it for it to be official? Do they let it stay for a while for publicity? Hehe, I’m just wondering about it in real life situation. Or, perhaps, in this case, it is to ‘save face’ for Kana?

And, Kyouko is experiencing the ‘after effect’ of what happened. Hehe, something like ‘back in reality’ and now that emotions have settled, the brain starts to think of why, what now, what to do, etc.

゜*☆○o。..:*・(*´-ω)(ω-`*)・*:..。o○☆*゚

Since, it is only at this part when Ren’s White Day gift is given to Kyouko, I guess we’ll know soon about what Kanae asked Ren in that side story. That side story was actually a teaser of things to come. And perhaps, Kanae will be able to figure things out by then.

I wonder if what Ren mentioned about ‘critical circumstances’ is just an alibi so that they won’t pry into it anymore? If it is true, it doesn’t seem to be about Kyouko. I’m thinking about her doubting him regarding Kana and he could have just denied it.

Ren seems surprised that people...rather his fans are very observant that they immediately know something is off with Ren. He didn’t even realize that they would theorize those two things as important to him.

Interestingly, the woman even surmised that the Kana story is a cover-up for something big. Doesn’t that mean she doesn’t believe the rumor? Though, she is right about it. ^^

゜*☆○o。..:*・(*´-ω)(ω-`*)・*:..。o○☆*゚

About the replacement pendant, I’m guessing it has something to do with Lory. He probably saw the news and guessed what happened so immediately have a new one made.

Actually, Lory is probably the only one who can have it made in such short notice. Hm...it makes me think that for it to be a copy...it isn’t unique anymore. Well, the title has the ‘spring’ word to it so I guess that hints on more romance progress.

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  1. about kana I think normally saying it's just not true is the normal thing to do but since she started it i guess ren side would rather keep quite until she says something and in this way she will be in their debt and also keeping silence is easier than saying things and then getting it twisted by the media

    I never really thought that the side story happened after but now it makes sense i'm thinking kanae might just say something like take care of kyoko since she is leaving to America and he is one of the few people in the showbiz who kyoko trusts I doubt she will talk about kyoko-ren since i doubt she knows and if she does know i think she would rather talk with kyoko than ren about it

    I think i understood ren he is busy working and not paying attention to what the magazines and the fan say about him so it didn't occur to him that people would think these items are special because he wears them often (although true for the watch), the thing is I think (but that's just my opinion) that wearing the pendant is not really accessory to the interview today or tomorrow he could always say that he forgot but indeed it will make people question things if he doesn't use it long-term, making a copy doesn't seem nice since the original will in a way lose meaning also i think if people already know about it then kyoko having it will be dangerous plus she realized how expensive it is and that is quite burdensome i think the only reasonable thing is to give it back and for ren to give her something else as a present but it is still confusing because how did yashiro know?? 2 weeks to go we wil lsee what will happen
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    emmahoshi

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  2. True, emmahoshi, I'm thinking that it is because her side started it. Hm...so they're going for silence and wait for the rumor to die down? In a way, I guess whether it is denied or not, the picture already says a lot.

    That's possible. Hm...rereading the side story, it seems that Kanae has figured it out.

    Ah yes. Though, I assumed that famous actors with a huge fan base would be somewhat aware of what their fans like/talk about? Hehe, but then, I guess it has its pros and cons. Cons = if it is negative stuff which can affect the showbiz personality.

    Anyway, I agree.

    About how did Yashiro knew, I'm thinking that Lory saw the news and talked to Yashiro about it or vice-versa. Ah, that is I'm assuming that the recording isn't on the same day when Ren gave the necklace to Kyouko. ^^;

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    1. Indeed , I mean obviously the picture can be used for a different scenario (like they were rehearsing for a new role together or she was way too drunk etc) but seeing that she said nothing i guess it's better to not say anything and also at this point kyoko knows the truth and i guess that's what matters to ren

      it would be nice if kanae figure it out but somehow i think kyoko and ren has been sending her some mixed messages at some point she thought he liked her and at another point she thought kyoko liked him but i guess if kyoko is saying nothing i don't think she would or that would ruin kyoko's potential confession/real feelings (since kanae doesn't know about what happened yesterday) hence i'm thinking the talk would be about something else

      indeed they are but i also think with the way the internet is sometimes fans post way too much and it's hard to keep up with all what they say, although i think the watch and the pendant would be some obvious topic i guess ren is just not that bothered and people around him didn't point these things out since they thought it was pretty obvious
      I'm quite sure this interview is on the next day (1 May) so maybe he did notice that ren didn't have it yesterday afternoon but then why didn't he ask ren about it and went to the president instead, also I was thinking how yashiro knew ren gave it to kyoko which is the only logical explanation or else he wouldn't order a new one/ or kyoko to return it, so in the end i'm just curious if the only explanation is that yashiro already know what happened yesterday or that somehow there is a new pendant and no one knows what happened yesterday

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    2. Hmm, I guess the rehearsing excuse is possible and just say later on that the project didn't push through. Saying that she is drunk might not be good for her image or rather, give a bad impression. That's right.

      I see. I'm just basing it on the side story. Based on Kyouko's reaction when Kanae guessed who gave the amusement park passes, she had realized that something big has happened. Perhaps, she won't directly talk with Ren about it. Maybe somewhat imply things to confirm her suspicion? Hehe, something like, baiting him and watch his reaction...though it has to take him by surprise since he can cover it up if he is on his guard.

      Iirc, their last scene was Kanae informing Kyouko about Ren's reaction to the rumor. In that side story, Kanae would have wondered why Kyouko is currently okay/reacting like that with Ren when she was devastated over the rumor.

      True, that's possible. Strange though that after all these years, no one [interviewers, etc] asked about the watch. Is it a case of only a daring/tactless fan would ask?

      Hm...is it possible that he asked around about it? After all, iirc, some people saw them together. Though, I would think Lory is behind it since he has the resources and connections. Lol, maybe I'm watching too many mystery kdrama but there are cctv around that place right? Like, Lory sees the news...necklace is missing. Out of curiosity, he tries to learn where it went since Ren won't tell him about it and didn't report it missing.

      After learning, he knew that people would notice so have one made and inform Yashiro about it so that when/if someone did ask about it then, he knows what to answer. Ah, there is also this possibility....like Yashiro/Lory saw what happened or was there at the station at that time.

      I'm leaning on they knew what happened yesterday. 😉 I'm thinking/hoping that the story would go in the direction of those who are close to them will know what happened. So, Kanae's possible realization about it would jive with this.

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    3. I guess as long as she comes up with a good excuse since both boss and yashiro don't seem to be too bothered by the rumors and I'm assuming they will interfere if it doesn't die down soon, also it seems to me that soon maybe ren will also advance to US as lory was having conversation with cedric's grandpa which made me think that he might also be ren's grandpa (or maybe just someone who acts as his grandpa)which makes me think what about kyoko if all the people she care about are going away soon for a while
      I really hope kanae figure it out same with yashiro and i'm amazed no one said anything when ren was chasing kyoko in LME building i mean that's totally out of character and draws attention , but i still wouldn't like it if there is another pendant i mean they could make it look like a matching pendant but i feel like it is quite risky ,
      about the watch I honestly think that only fans are the ones who focus on these things i mean i guess in an interview they could ask about the watch but it doesn;t look like an expensive watch and mentioning brand names on tv is prohibited unless they also sponsor the show an when you have 10-15 minute interview the last thing you would want to waste time on is to ask about a watch , I still think what the women did in the TV station was quite unprofessional, I'm all for people being fan to celebrity but she shouldn't have asked him about his pendant or the watch because that was no part of the interview and she is using her job for her fan-girl life , I mean it is great that he is aware now of how these details are not escaping his fan-base but I still think that lady crossed the line of professionalism when she stirred the conversation towards her personal curiosity

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    4. Yup. About everyone going abroad soon, I wonder if there will be a time skip because Kyouko still has a drama to do before she can join them for whatever possible reason.

      Hehe, ya. I'm thinking that it is hush-hush because it is in a TV station? Haha, or they really would not imagine Ren having any romantic interest towards Kyouko? Didn't he chase her before to the toilet?

      True, it isn't quite professional of her. I guess she figured that she can get away with it since Ren is a nice person.

      Hm...but then, about the watch, I think it really stands out if it is always on the 'same time'. Like, why is he always wearing a broken watch. Only fans noticed it?

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    5. the sense i'm getting is that if they head to US and the cedric (potential bully) arc starts it could be something like a final arc (or close to final) and i doubt kyoko would miss that so who knows and i'm really more interested in people from tragic marker (is that the name of the film) figuring out ren is actor x lol masamura (?) wouldn't believe that hahaha

      about the watch and/or pendant honestly i remember few years ago a skip beat discussion where someone was talking about the pendant and I thought what are you going on he only wore it on this chapter then she pointed out to me that ren does wear it often so i went back and realize that he indeed does wear it often and then when actor x arc came along and ren talked about the watch that was also the first time i noticed the watch I honestly think if you don't pay close attention (like fans do) you wouldn't notice specially casual interviewers and tv stations who have more important things to ask
      10 days to go
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      emmahoshi

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    6. Yup, and the hint of Kyouko meeting with Ren's parents can also be done there. Hm...do you think that Kyouko's father will still make an appearance? Lol, will he also be in US? Ah, that's right. I wonder when the film will be shown.

      Ah, I see. For me, I noticed the pendant a long ago and thought that it is something important. The watch, I didn't notice. Ah, was it ever shown in detail before...being stuck in the same time?

      Important things to ask = about drama/film? ^^ I guess as you mentioned earlier, they want to be professional so don't want to ask private questions which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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    7. kyouko's dad is an interesting case and i've seen a lot of people bring him up recently, i mean he is a corporate spy so i'm assuming he must have some knowledge about the law which might make him a lawyer but if so i wonder why he never ran into sanae ever again, to be honest after hearing the story of kyoko's mom rather than kyoko i think the mom her self has some issues that need to be addressed with the father , to me in the future i think it will be great if kyoko can have a better relationship with her mom and maybe continue to have ren's dad as a father figure I don't really think she needs to meet her father he wasn't really a great human , but that's just me and who knows how things will actually unfold, to be honest i was glad to realize that the mom was mad at her eloping with shou (not that the mom's actions from kyoko's childhood can be justified ) but somehow i'm also glad that kyoko used to be this plain person which made shou have no interest in her because somehow the past repeating itself could have been really possible specially with how kyoko was devoted to shou and how shou can easily abandon her since he is self-centered, the funny thing is i understand kyoko since shou is probably the only one who listened to her since her mom didn't care about her and she craved some attention but even in their childhood flashbacks you can really see a lot of his self-centered tendencies which could've been explained as him being young but he has the same attitude right now , I guess avoiding him 100% would be impossible since her mom is friends with his mom and she also is grateful to shou's mom for helping her but it is interesting how the son didn't take any of his mother's good qualities! few more days for the new chapter
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    8. I see. Hehe, I'm just thinking that since they haven't seen/couldn't find Kyouko's dad, he must have hidden in some other country. Well, in our country, US is a favorite place for people who want to 'run away' from the country and have the money/connections to do so.

      Hm...but wasn't Shou's mother there for Kyouko? I didn't get the impression of Shou listening to her. Well, he did but he couldn't comfort her, iirc. Well, for a certain time, Corn was there for her. I would think that it is more on search for love/approval? From her mother, it shifted to Shou. In a way, is she a masochist for looking for love from people who won't/can't give it to her?

      Haha, well, actually, there are such people in real life.

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    9. lol i get what you mean with the running away and US since a lot of shojo manga with their study abroad arc always go for US and I keep on thinking there are closer places to go to .
      no indeed shou's mom was good to kyoko but I still don't like how she wanted for kyoko and sho to end up together (as in marry) I mean indeed it is possible with what the mom has seen from their relationship back in middle school and I think since kyoko is indebted to her she wouldn't have refused so in a way i'm just glad kyoko left that small bubble she lived in and has now the will to make decisions based on her own happiness rather than others, I wouldn't call kyoko an M since she actually thought shou would give her the love her mom didn't give her i mean he also listened to some of her problem but was childish not do anything (which was ok when he was a child but it seems that he is still the same now and doesn't know how to solve a conflict) but indeed there are people like this in real life and that tends to get frustrating specially when most shojo manga is based on some stupid girl falling in love with some "bad boy" (and i think there should be a limit to how bad he can be), I guess I could see how people are liek this since years ago maybe i had a naive mindset but nowadays I really can't believe most of the popular troops in shojo/josei manga and I think the number 1 thing i hate is how in most of them the female lead is just their to fall in love with the male lead (who always has some special talent like excel in studies or in his club) while she is just there and does nothing but fangirl and maybe later on gets a part-time job to buy him gifts ...I think that's why I like skip beat since it is hard to come across shojo manga were the female lead is also trying to make something out of her self , another thing i hate in general is how a male character always forcibly holds the female lead by her wrist and drags her somewhere I mean why does no one shake off the male's hand and firmly says to stop doing this (i even saw this in some drama and I was quite mad are people ok in real life to be forcibly lead somewhere??)I think whatever rose-colored eyes i used to have for shojo manga are no longer there and sometimes nowadays i wonder what kind of a message they are sending to the female youth out there (yeah i guess i'm overthinking but sometimes I see signs of abuse masked as love in these manga yet they are so popular and wonder about the future!)
      emmahoshi

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    10. Hm...you mean to study? For us here, to study in US = prestige, you are somebody, intelligent. As for hiding, perhaps, it is harder to find someone if they are in the US? Ah, easier to blend there = not stand out?

      At that time, I don't think Kyouko would refuse either since she is really into Shou. The only problem there before was Shou is the one who doesn't want to marry her. That's right, it is good that she had left there and I guess, Shou doing that to her is a blessing in disguise.

      True. Hehe, maybe it is a turn on for some female readers? Liking a dominant guy rather than a nice guy-type which story-wise, can be boring. Personally, I'm not into that either bad guy type who'll bully/treat the girl badly. I actually couldn't stand the first part of Cinderella that I used to fast forward the bullying. Haha. That is also what I did in some of the shoujo manga. I skip most of the part and read again if it becomes better when the jerk/guy treats her better and the story improves.

      Hm...I wonder though if they take those stories to heart or can totally separate it/fiction from reality. If it is the latter, then I guess everything is okay. ^^;

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    11. generally not only to study for example suddenly this character has to move because of the father's job and he is relocating to US or something I mean in real life not so quite believable since i'm sure if it is such a big company they would have more branches in asia and also most of these characters speak no English (or attempt to ) and their family is the same which makes it quite unbelievable that they would relocate (or the company would send them there) when non of them have basic life skills in the other country let alone being able to do their job in there,hence why i always find the study abroad or family relocation arc of shojo manga weak.
      indeed I think generally shou didn't care about kyoko romantically and she wouldn't have believed what anyone said about him until she saw it with her own eyes, and even recently i think his interest in her is because she is know something he can't have and that's why he wants her which bothers me a lot and I always thought early on in the series that even if kyoko doesn't end up ren I don't want her anywhere near shou because A) she deserves better and B) that would just throw away the entire purpose of the journey she went on from Chapter 1, I'm ok with an ending where she might be on civil terms with shou but no romance please because I doubt shou will change anytime soon looking at how he is dependent on woman to baby him (which I can't believe his manager also do when she is an adult not a teen!!)
      yeah recently i skip a lot of shojo and it is becoming quite difficult to find a decent one with a decent female lead, I honestly doesn't understand what's so great about someone mistreating the people they love it just makes no sense to me, Cinderella was bullied by her step-sisters not the prince (but i get it you don't like bullying story line in general)the thing with these fairy tales is that they always wait for someone to save them/help them and i wonder if they themselves could've done something in the meantime besides waiting??
      some people do take it to heart specially younger audience, at least i heard of a study on how the trivializing of different degrees on violence against women in literature made them believe it is ok to do this to women
      lol what a long discussion hopefully will be back with the new chapter soon
      thanks I enjoyed this discussion
      emmahoshi

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    12. Hm...I would think that those who go to the US would be shoujo families that are super rich. In real life, rich Asians tend to go there, right? Basic life skills = maids and butlers? Language = hire a translator. Haha, that is based on what I see in dramas. They'll be working in their own companies so being the 'child of the owner' which we call here as COO, I think they can get by.

      I agree.

      True. About your question, well, in real life, there are such people. Actually, a lot of people here in our country have that kind of mentality like always looking for the leader who'll save them from poverty, crime, etc but don't really do much to help themselves.

      I see. Hm...it makes me wonder if it is an innate thing or education can be a factor. I recall a story here wherein a poor woman thinks that it is okay for her husband to beat her because of her mistakes like burning the rice because rice is expensive.

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    13. indeed rich families although i wonder how they don't find it suffocating not being able to do anything without the translator, it could be an innate thing sometimes you just get used to one thing for a long time and start to think it is the wright thing or that you have no right to fight back and it just goes back to toxic relationships , I guess i've been watching a lot of domestic abuse survivor talks recently and it is interesting how those abusers can alter your mentality with time and isolate you , really frightening I guess that's why sometimes I tend to not like it when fiction take these matters not seriously even though i know its just fiction hence recently i just avoid these stories.
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    14. True...though perhaps, some might be willing to learn? Unless they leave a really sheltered life. In the end, it would be temporary, right? They'll go back to their home country's headquarters companies.

      Ya, I agree.

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  3. My thought about what Kanae knows is that she knows Kyoko loves Ren even though she denies it, and she can see that Ren considers kyoko special so my thought was more like she is the protective best friend who is trying to make sure her friend is not going to go through the heart break once more.
    I thought it was not visible that Ren was not wearing the neckless on TV, then again if it is Lory I guess he is sharp enough to notice and contact Yashiro. It might be that Lory calls Ren and/or Kyoko for another consultation or solution. I don't think Ren is going to take back the necklace as he gave it to her as a promise.
    As for the rumor, I think ren only was concerned about Kyoko he does not care what everyone else thinks about and of course Lory loves these types of scandals so he will not interfere. I think he trusts ren enough to let him handle it. I guess not saying a word makes the buzz fade faster and I assume Ren is letting Kana san decide.
    Let's hope we get some clarity in next chapter ^_^

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    1. I see, El4n1.

      Ya though I'm not sure if Lory would call either one or both. I mean since there is a backup necklace, he must have already thought of a solution.

      Most likely after all, in cases like this, it is usually the woman's reputation that is going to be tarnished.

      Yup ^^

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  4. Do you know why the author specifically mentioned that the day Tina went to visit the grave is not the day Rick died at the end? I went back to see if I could find any more clues but nothing jumped out.
    I wonder what Tina wants to talk about with Kuon, she looked very concerned.

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    1. Eln4n1, I'm not to sure but I guess it means that Tina isn't that 'hanged up' on the day of his death.

      I think she felt guilty over what happened especially since Kuon disappeared after that day.

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